Debt Reduction

[volnation2217]

we will always need ditch diggers, mailmen, and garbagemen. our job as a society is not to provide a job for every idiot at a living wage. that is absurd. i think you underestimate the average american.

As an individual, I would agree that it's not my job. As a society, I would say that is kinda the goal.

I think I did a bad job of explaining my point earlier. Our government has decided to make it our job as citizens to prop up those that can't make it on their own. The point I was making is that the more bottom teir jobs we have, the less it will cost me and you for the Gov't programs that keep those that can't do anything else in house and home.

 

[droski]

As an individual, I would agree that it's not my job. As a society, I would say that is kinda the goal.

I think I did a bad job of explaining my point earlier. Our government has decided to make it our job as citizens to prop up those that can't make it on their own. The point I was making is that the more bottom teir jobs we have, the less it will cost me and you for the Gov't programs that keep those that can't do anything else in house and home.

the type of people willing to take those type of jobs is limited. generally people of that level are perfecting willing to be on welfare and don't want to work. this is why illegal immigrants have the overwelming majority of jobs as line cooks, maids, and nannys (all of which can provide a living wage). if the poor americans wanted these jobs they would already have them. what would you suggest we do? force the rest of america to buy overpriced goods? isn't the savings from the lower costs good for 99% of americans worth not paying the 1% of idiots?

 

[volnation2217]

Haha. Good point. The same Human Resources diretor I mention earlier once asked me my opinion of a guy that came into my office looking for a job. I told him, "I know and like the guy just fine, but he could never pass a drug test." His response was, "neither could 90% of the people willing to do that job."

I guess I just want to think that a more diverse job market would result in less government spending. Although, the opposite is probably true. All we would likely get would be more regulations.

 

[gsvol]

Let's face it, we are all just whistling past the grave yard on the topic of paying down the debt.

Paying off the national debt is an impossibility using fed bank notes as legal tender.

Paying down the debt is improbable, especially with obamacare set to kick in in 2014.

We would need to elect a republican majority in the senate and a republican president in 2012 or enough republican senators to override a presidential veto and even then that is not a given considering there always seems to be a few republicans (read rinos) who will desert the cause of fiscal responsibility when the chips are on the table.

Raising SS retirement age to 68 is only cosmetic, it's already 67 for those born in 1960 or later.

The monetary system we have in place insures that the federal government (the American people) is/are captured in a state of perpetual slavery so that we pay huge amounts of money collected from personal and business taxes each year to a select few international financiers that own the system of banks that dole out money to a spend happy congress.

Just a guess but I suppose what they have in mind is an international currency that all nations worldwide will have to accept to do business and settle debts.

Look at our national debt, let's round things off and say that it stands at $15 trillion and that there are 300 million Americans, that is $50,000 for every man woman and child in the country.

What conclusions can we draw from that information?