December 21st 2012?

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TENNFOLD1974

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I read on this date some serious chit is suppose to go down.Would anyone care to comment on this?I'd like to get some more information.Thanks.
 
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The Mayan Doomsday Prophecy rears its ugly head. Seriously I don't buy into these types of things very much but I have studied Central and South American civilization for about ten years now. The cultures of that region were very advanced and arguably more learned than the Egyptian civilization. Their calender is actually better than the one we use today. I would suggest you all read about the periods of destruction Earth has gone through. I believe you will find it interesting.
 
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Is it just me or do you not find it funny that a culture that supposedly figured out something that is supposed to happen on a specific day in 2012 couldn't figure out to how to prevent the whole civilization from going kaput? It's like someone claiming to know when the sun is going to nova but gets hit by a truck the next day.
 
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hndog609 said:
Is it just me or do you not find it funny that a culture that supposedly figured out something that is supposed to happen on a specific day in 2012 couldn't figure out to how to prevent the whole civilization from going kaput? It's like someone claiming to know when the sun is going to nova but gets hit by a truck the next day.
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It was because of ancient prophecies that these civilizations welcomed the Spanish into their lands, which was ultimately their undoing.
 
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shouldn't this conflict with Christianity considering that true believers know that we do not know when the Lord will come back
 
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This is all a crock, if there was concrete proof that the world would go through this I think it would be bigger news than on the VN forums and some quacks website or blog.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
shouldn't this conflict with Christianity considering that true believers know that we do not know when the Lord will come back
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It is not the end of the world necessarily. There were three other great destruction periods in the Mayan timeline. Each time it was destruction by a different force. I think the last one was water. If I'm not mistaken it will be fire this time. The prophecy does not go on to explain what comes after.
 
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Sjernigan88 said:
This is all a crock, if there was concrete proof that the world would go through this I think it would be bigger news than on the VN forums and some quacks website or blog.
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I don't know how seriously it is taken but there are universities across the Americas that study this subject. They are legitimate scholars and hardly quacks. That being said I don't necessarily buy into it, I just enjoy reading about these particular cultures.
 
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Its an interesting topic that I thought of posting here before. The Mayans are considered by some to have been more advanced in astrology than modern day civilizations. The Long count calender and the two others all end on Dec 21, 2012. What is told about this date is they said it would be the time when the solar system would be directly placed in the center of the eye of the milky way. Nasa confirmed this several years ago. When that happens it is believed our axis or polarity may shift, not the end of the earth but violent weather will probably occur. The Mayans believed this end of the calender which they have recorded before, will end in a great flood.

Which could be what we call global warming :)
 
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MontereyVol said:
Its an interesting topic that I thought of posting here before. The Mayans are considered by some to have been more advanced in astrology than modern day civilizations. The Long count calender and the two others all end on Dec 21, 2012. What is told about this date is they said it would be the time when the solar system would be directly placed in the center of the eye of the milky way. Nasa confirmed this several years ago. When that happens it is believed our axis or polarity may shift, not the end of the earth but violent weather will probably occur. The Mayans believed this end of the calender which they have recorded before, will end in a great flood.

Which could be what we call global warming :)
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If our axis did shift the ice at the poles would be melted and the resulting global weather pattern changes would catastrophic. Not to mention the rise in sea levels.
 
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KB5252 said:
I don't know how seriously it is taken but there are universities across the Americas that study this subject. They are legitimate scholars and hardly quacks. That being said I don't necessarily buy into it, I just enjoy reading about these particular cultures.
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I'm not trying to be contentious to your point but having something studied in universities doesn't necessarily carry much intellectual credibility with me. Consider:

Brown offers a course called "Black Lavender: A study of black gay and lesbian plays and dramatic construction in American theatre"

UVA can give you "Marxism: What is to be learned from it?" Described as declaring Marxism the "standard against which all subsequent social thought must be judged".

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I'm sure there are numerous other examples. Anyway, I just don't want to give any subject any real degree of gravitas because somebody is studying it in a class somewhere. Finding Mayan culture interesting enough to study is one thing. Having people convince themselves that the Mayans (or whoever) figured out some date X in the future is the end/beginning/whatever is another thing entirely.
 
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hndog609 said:
I'm not trying to be contentious to your point but having something studied in universities doesn't necessarily carry much intellectual credibility with me. Consider:

Brown offers a course called "Black Lavender: A study of black gay and lesbian plays and dramatic construction in American theatre"

UVA can give you "Marxism: What is to be learned from it?" Described as declaring Marxism the "standard against which all subsequent social thought must be judged".

Indiana Bloomington- Star Trek & Religion

I'm sure there are numerous other examples. Anyway, I just don't want to give any subject any real degree of gravitas because somebody is studying it in a class somewhere. Finding Mayan culture interesting enough to study is one thing. Having people convince themselves that the Mayans (or whoever) figured out some date X in the future is the end/beginning/whatever is another thing entirely.
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You are correct to an extent. None of these classes mentioned above are legit IMO. I did not insinuate that one should take this prophecy as fact. As stated by a previous poster the Mayan understood the cosmos better than any other civilization before and arguably since. They were great mathematicians and their skill lends enough credence to at least study and contemplate their observations. I advocate no more or less. I would just suggest people study it and decide for themselves. (They never stated it was the END of existence, just this period of time and did not indicate what, if anything would happen.)
 
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MontereyVol said:
Its an interesting topic that I thought of posting here before. The Mayans are considered by some to have been more advanced in astrology than modern day civilizations. The Long count calender and the two others all end on Dec 21, 2012. What is told about this date is they said it would be the time when the solar system would be directly placed in the center of the eye of the milky way. Nasa confirmed this several years ago. When that happens it is believed our axis or polarity may shift, not the end of the earth but violent weather will probably occur. The Mayans believed this end of the calender which they have recorded before, will end in a great flood.

Which could be what we call global warming :)
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yep, that is pretty much the gist of it, except the polar shift was supposed to begin last year and take 5 years to complete if memory serves correct.

Another interpretation (there are as many as there are new age whack jobs) and perhaps the most conceivable is that the date in question is the beginning of the Age of Aquarius. We are currently in the latter part of the Age of Pisces.
 
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emainvol said:
yep, that is pretty much the gist of it, except the polar shift was supposed to begin last year and take 5 years to complete if memory serves correct.

Another interpretation (there are as many as there are new age whack jobs) and perhaps the most conceivable is that the date in question is the beginning of the Age of Aquarius. We are currently in the latter part of the Age of Pisces.
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As you stated above there are many theories as to what this all means.
 
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KB5252 said:
You are correct to an extent. None of these classes mentioned above are legit IMO. I did not insinuate that one should take this prophecy as fact. As stated by a previous poster the Mayan understood the cosmos better than any other civilization before and arguably since. They were great mathematicians and their skill lends enough credence to at least study and contemplate their observations. I advocate no more or less. I would just suggest people study it and decide for themselves. (They never stated it was the END of existence, just this period of time and did not indicate what, if anything would happen.)
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My last paragraph was trying to separate people who merely find the Mayan culture (or any culture for that matter) interesting from those who will take aspects of that culture and turn it into some freaking prognostication of impending doom and be serious about it. You seem very much part of the former group and I have not the slightest issue with. I mean, History Channel rocks. That latter group of nutcases...well, you know.
 
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hndog609 said:
My last paragraph was trying to separate people who merely find the Mayan culture (or any culture for that matter) interesting from those who will take aspects of that culture and turn it into some freaking prognostication of impending doom and be serious about it. You seem very much part of the former group and I have not the slightest issue with. I mean, History Channel rocks. That latter group of nutcases...well, you know.
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My wife does not understand why I like the History channel. I agree some people hear something said and take it at truth.
 
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KB5252 said:
My wife does not understand why I like the History channel. I agree some people hear something said and take it at truth.
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We used to call HC the "Hitler Channel" for all the WWII shows. It's grown much more diverse now.
 
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hndog609 said:
We used to call HC the "Hitler Channel" for all the WWII shows. It's grown much more diverse now.
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Yes it has... The History Channel has also started airing "questionable" material at a greater frequency; a trend I don't like at all.

I suppose pseudohistorical musings and speculative mini series on future "larger than life" events garner better ratings. :dry:
 
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SWIL said:
Yes it has... The History Channel has also started airing "questionable" material at a greater frequency; a trend I don't like at all.

I suppose pseudohistorical musings and speculative mini series on future "larger than life" events garner better ratings. :dry:
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I watch History Channel for amusement. If there is a topic discussed there that I like I do some research on it. I have found that many of the explanations and theories put forth are founded on no science at all. All in all I do like the diversity. All in all it is just like anything else, you have to do your own reading on the subject to form an objective opinion.
 
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