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Vols of Anarchy

Vols of Anarchy

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I was just wondering about the big change of d# coaching staffs, is 3-4 d# no longer under Butch Jones? I was hoping that Vols back to 4-3 d# because 3-4 really don't do anything real good at all & I know it's only their first 3-4 d# this season, but believe me, it won't work out for the Vols if they kept playing 3-4 d# for 2nd season. Plus, what's happens to J.Smith? I thought he was suppose to be beast this season, I guess Sal making bad decisions to move him as LB. He's beast when he back to DE for sure...
 
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Butch said that we would be a 4-3 defense.


I am hoping for big things out of Jacques in 2013. Hopefully, he will see it as a contract year. If he don't turn it up a lot, no future in the NFL for him. It is worth a ton of cash to Jacques to have a breakout season.
 
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Vols of Anarchy said:
I was hoping that Vols back to 4-3 d# because 3-4 really don't do anything real good at all
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Given the correct personnel that know their role/scheme, the 3-4 is in every way superior to the 4-3. But you have to put in the effort to get the players. We had the players for it. Problem was our JACK linebacker could rarely get QB pressure and never set an edge with his rush. On top of trying to mold our ideally-zone coverage DBs into man-to-man corners... just a schematic recipe for disaster. We had one CB capable of man-to-man and he got injured before the season started. Sure we have have "fully" switched a little premature in the season, but the pure idea of switching to a 3-4 is a great idea.
 
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Smith will be so much better in a 4-3.. he couldn't contain the run like he was supposed to as a linebacker, I'll be anxious to see him get to pin his ears back a few times.
 
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JeffHostetler said:
Smith will be so much better in a 4-3.. he couldn't contain the run like he was supposed to as a linebacker, I'll be anxious to see him get to pin his ears back a few times.
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He couldn't keep contain against the run in the 4-3 as an end either. Barring a miraculous turnaround he has been a huge bust.
 
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ZoSo0789 said:
Given the correct personnel that know their role/scheme, the 3-4 is in every way superior to the 4-3. But you have to put in the effort to get the players. We had the players for it. Problem was our JACK linebacker could rarely get QB pressure and never set an edge with his rush. On top of trying to mold our ideally-zone coverage DBs into man-to-man corners... just a schematic recipe for disaster. We had one CB capable of man-to-man and he got injured before the season started. Sure we have have "fully" switched a little premature in the season, but the pure idea of switching to a 3-4 is a great idea.
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Our Avi's kind of look alike. :hi:
 
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ZoSo0789 said:
Given the correct personnel that know their role/scheme, the 3-4 is in every way superior to the 4-3. But you have to put in the effort to get the players. We had the players for it. Problem was our JACK linebacker could rarely get QB pressure and never set an edge with his rush. On top of trying to mold our ideally-zone coverage DBs into man-to-man corners... just a schematic recipe for disaster. We had one CB capable of man-to-man and he got injured before the season started. Sure we have have "fully" switched a little premature in the season, but the pure idea of switching to a 3-4 is a great idea.
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How is it in any way superior?

Last time I checked, each defense involves 11 players.
 
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vol-un-tear said:
I think Mo Couch tweeted he was excited about 4 down linemen. We need more meat on the line!
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You typically get smaller in a 4-3 defense, than you do in a 3-4.

A 3-4 is really more of a 5-2, and involves larger players than a 4-3 normally does. I think the lack of speed that a 3-4 defense creates, was one of our real issues.
 
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JeffHostetler said:
Smith will be so much better in a 4-3.. he couldn't contain the run like he was supposed to as a linebacker, I'll be anxious to see him get to pin his ears back a few times.
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4-3 de's have to play contain, also. Unless he's in a strong 7 technique (doubtful). He'll probably be our weak side 5, meaning he will have contain responsibility.

Playing OLB in a 3-4 and DE in a 4-3 isn't that different.
 
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Vol8188 said:
4-3 de's have to play contain, also. Unless he's in a strong 7 technique (doubtful). He'll probably be our weak side 5, meaning he will have contain responsibility.

Playing OLB in a 3-4 and DE in a 4-3 isn't that different.
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The only notable difference is putting you hand on the turf. Some players are more comfortable doing so. But I would agree with you that there's not a huge difference.
 
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Also, I believe South Carolina runs a 3-4 D. They recruit based on speed and converting players to make their overall defense faster. High School safties pack on muscle and move to linebacker, hs linebackers move to d-line. Worked with Melvin Ingram and Devonte Holloman.
 
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ZoSo0789 said:
Given the correct personnel that know their role/scheme, the 3-4 is in every way superior to the 4-3. But you have to put in the effort to get the players. We had the players for it. Problem was our JACK linebacker could rarely get QB pressure and never set an edge with his rush. On top of trying to mold our ideally-zone coverage DBs into man-to-man corners... just a schematic recipe for disaster. We had one CB capable of man-to-man and he got injured before the season started. Sure we have have "fully" switched a little premature in the season, but the pure idea of switching to a 3-4 is a great idea.
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Great post. :good!:
 
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JeffHostetler said:
Smith will be so much better in a 4-3.. he couldn't contain the run like he was supposed to as a linebacker, I'll be anxious to see him get to pin his ears back a few times.
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Heard the exact same argument for Smith when we switched to the 3-4. Saying that he would flourish in that scheme as an olb because he was undersized as a DE and got swallowed up by big OT's.

Sorry but I'm not buying it! Dudes going to be a senior. At this point he is what he is. Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.
 
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Vol8188 said:
4-3 de's have to play contain, also. Unless he's in a strong 7 technique (doubtful). He'll probably be our weak side 5, meaning he will have contain responsibility.

Playing OLB in a 3-4 and DE in a 4-3 isn't that different.
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The 5-2 is 3 good linemen and two Defensive ends that can play down or up. This makes it hard for linemen to block the LB's. Put a strong side floater to cover the backfield and the LB's can create chaos.
 
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vol-un-tear said:
The 5-2 is 3 good linemen and two Defensive ends that can play down or up. This makes it hard for linemen to block the LB's. Put a strong side floater to cover the backfield and the LB's can create chaos.
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A 5-2 and a 3-4 are essentially the exact same thing.
 
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vol-un-tear said:
The two ends play the line. They are true ends. That is the difference in my experience. LB's and Ends are different size and weight.
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Who determines what size and weight a DE or OLB is?

Last time I checked Maggitt and Smith both played DE in our 4-3 front. Granted Maggitt didn't play there full time, but the point is still valid.

Olb's in a 3-4 are normally on the line of scrimmage, as well.

The only difference is semantics.
 
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