Defensive Back Spring Preview

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I think Sutton and Foreman start at corner, with Coleman as the nickel/3rd corner. Randolph and Todd Kelly as the safeties. Much improved secondary.

Payne, Mosely, McNeil, Gaulden and McDowell give us excellent, starter-worthy depth. The future is getting bright.
 
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burgereater said:
He left out the backup to Randolph last season who looked impressive to me on the post workout pic, Max Arnold. Perhaps a tid bit of racism at play there. What do y'all think? I mean, he included people who Arnold obviously beat out last season as they were under him on the depth chart.
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Arnold is a practice player. Just too much talent and speed in this league for him to be getting pt.
And seeing him, probst, swafford and toney on the field trying to win games late last year is something I don't want to see again.

And imo, mcneil and Coleman need to work at nickel. McNeil can't play the ball well at safety and is too slow of foot. A foot that looks like it's wearing shoes 2 sizes too big. Coleman has no instinct at cb and is always on his heels. His run support is solid though and I like him covering a tight space in the middle of the field without having to worry about getting beat deep, and I like him coming up hard against the run, or qb spy if we need it.
 
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McNeil's good when he comes in for run support. He needs to work within a radius of 15ish yards to be effective.

Not so great in coverage, though.
 
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Remember way back in 1998 season when Dwayne Goodrich got hurt late in the 2nd qtr of the National Championship game and his replacement (name?) played lock down on FSUs best WR in the second half...we need that type of secondary back and we just made a huge step in that direction.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Arnold is a practice player. Just too much talent and speed in this league for him to be getting pt.
And seeing him, probst, swafford and toney on the field trying to win games late last year is something I don't want to see again.

And imo, mcneil and Coleman need to work at nickel. McNeil can't play the ball well at safety and is too slow of foot. A foot that looks like it's wearing shoes 2 sizes too big. Coleman has no instinct at cb and is always on his heels. His run support is solid though and I like him covering a tight space in the middle of the field without having to worry about getting beat deep, and I like him coming up hard against the run, or qb spy if we need it.
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Opinions are like a**holes so the saying goes. Your response still does not answer the question of why players lower on the depth chart last year are mentioned but Arnold was left out. Also, I have watched Randolph have as many plays made on him as anyone else if not more. Not sure why he always gets a pass by volnation. It is a tough one to figure out.
 
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ACvol3 said:
Mike Williams is the fastest db on the team?
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Forgotten man. Treece loves this kid, talks about his toughness (says he's "a dog", in a good way),his speed and his athletic ability. Be curious where/how he fits into the picture.
 
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burgereater said:
Opinions are like a**holes so the saying goes. Your response still does not answer the question of why players lower on the depth chart last year are mentioned but Arnold was left out. Also, I have watched Randolph have as many plays made on him as anyone else if not more. Not sure why he always gets a pass by volnation. It is a tough one to figure out.
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What are you talking about? Arnold should never play, and there was no body for him to beat out last year...He wasn't listed, because he will not be a factor next year.. Just Like Orta... Just shows how bad our depth was last year across the board. Also, Randolph has been our best DB for a few years now...
 
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burgereater said:
Opinions are like a**holes so the saying goes. Your response still does not answer the question of why players lower on the depth chart last year are mentioned but Arnold was left out. Also, I have watched Randolph have as many plays made on him as anyone else if not more. Not sure why he always gets a pass by volnation. It is a tough one to figure out.
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As far as players lower on the depth chart ahead of Arnold, it's probably because there are more players than Orta competing for a backup spot and we have more players that can play safety this year.
Randolph doesn't blow nearly as many coverages as McNeil and doesn't miss the tackles. He also has more picks and pbu's. I don't know that we are watching the same games if you see McNeil playing at the level of Randolph in run support or pass coverage.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
As far as players lower on the depth chart ahead of Arnold, it's probably because there are more players than Orta competing for a backup spot and we have more players that can play safety this year.
Randolph doesn't blow nearly as many coverages as McNeil and doesn't miss the tackles. He also has more picks and pbu's. I don't know that we are watching the same games if you see McNeil playing at the level of Randolph in run support or pass coverage.
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Randolph has the picks cause he is out there more than any other safety. I do not recall any picks that any high school player could have made. If the ball is thrown right to you then most grown men can catch it.

As for AV, you seem to agree that the guys below Arnold last year suddenly got better than him....if you agree with Treece's article. I think there is much more at play in your mind and Treece's as well than simply football. No other possible explanation.
 
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I have no idea wtf you are talking about. kid at safety with no sec offers is getting passed up by kids with more ability and offers from D1 schools.
And if a true freshman db that came in last August isn't bigger, faster, smarter and more confident now than in August when competing, we are in trouble for awhile.
 
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burgereater said:
Randolph has the picks cause he is out there more than any other safety. I do not recall any picks that any high school player could have made. If the ball is thrown right to you then most grown men can catch it.

As for AV, you seem to agree that the guys below Arnold last year suddenly got better than him....if you agree with Treece's article. I think there is much more at play in your mind and Treece's as well than simply football. No other possible explanation.
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You said he is out there more than any other safety, why cause he is the best we have at his position. I know everyone on vn roots for the walk on to get playing time and possibly start but I'm looking forward to never seeing another walk on on the 2 deep ever again( unless he proves worthy) because IMO that proves that you have quality depth and no longer need to use a walk on anymore to fill out a depth chart.
 
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dyllisvol42 said:
You said he is out there more than any other safety, why cause he is the best we have at his position. I know everyone on vn roots for the walk on to get playing time and possibly start but I'm looking forward to never seeing another walk on on the 2 deep ever again( unless he proves worthy) because IMO that proves that you have quality depth and no longer need to use a walk on anymore to fill out a depth chart.
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I'm ready to move on to another subject but first I want to point out that Satan has had two walkons start at safety at Alabama. You have to be careful not to put so much credit to the guys that decide how many stars a kid will get by their name. There's a whole section of very good ball players that they are choosing to ignore.

I can only imagine how peed off that statement will make you.

Check the pictures of the teams that win most of the state championships in Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, etc. you'll figure it out.
 
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Please make the over hyping stop for just one off season. I buy in everytime and get burned. I think we jinx them.
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burgereater said:
Opinions are like a**holes so the saying goes. Your response still does not answer the question of why players lower on the depth chart last year are mentioned but Arnold was left out. Also, I have watched Randolph have as many plays made on him as anyone else if not more. Not sure why he always gets a pass by volnation. It is a tough one to figure out.
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He isn't listed because he's not on scholarship. Yes, he was higher on the depth chart than our true freshman safety (Lemond Johnson) last season. No, he won't be in the two deep again for the foreseeable future.

Swafford is listed even though he's a walk on because he actually started some last season.
 
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burgereater said:
I'm ready to move on to another subject but first I want to point out that Satan has had two walkons start at safety at Alabama. You have to be careful not to put so much credit to the guys that decide how many stars a kid will get by their name. There's a whole section of very good ball players that they are choosing to ignore.

I can only imagine how peed off that statement will make you.

Check the pictures of the teams that win most of the state championships in Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, etc. you'll figure it out.
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Notice what I put in parentheses before you come back with something like that.satan has had two safeties contribute out of how many Walk on players he has. I'm not saying its not nice to have them contribute I'm just saying how we have had to depend on way to many walk ons to contribute major time on the field, I'm just looking forward to where we don't have to do that anymore.
 
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Sparty, What's your input on Swafford, Lemond & Williams?

I'll hang up & listen.
 
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dyllisvol42 said:
Notice what I put in parentheses before you come back with something like that.satan has had two safeties contribute out of how many Walk on players he has. I'm not saying its not nice to have them contribute I'm just saying how we have had to depend on way to many walk ons to contribute major time on the field, I'm just looking forward to where we don't have to do that anymore.
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I totally agree with that.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
He isn't listed because he's not on scholarship. Yes, he was higher on the depth chart than our true freshman safety (Lemond Johnson) last season. No, he won't be in the two deep again for the foreseeable future.

Swafford is listed even though he's a walk on because he actually started some last season.
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There was very little difference in the total amount of playing time, especially when special teams play is counted. So, your argument is extremely weak.

I believe that Treece left him out cause he is white. Really, there is no other possible explanation. I saw on rivals today that Arnold is still on the 2 deep chart. The lack of notice that gets from the media is, well, it is really weird. It is the day and age in which we live.

Do I like to see white boys getting some playing time. You betchya. Especially home grown ones. I believe at least 90% of the white folks in this state feel the same way. We do not want a white kid to play over a black kid if the black kid is better, of course not. But we also do not want a black kid to play over a white kid if the white kid is better. I would like to see the numbers: what is Arnold's 40 time compared to Randolph, McNeil. What is his bench, squat, short shuddle time, long shuttle time, all these things compared to the safeties there now and the ones coming in August.

Also, one last thing. How many of those Missouri offensive linemen would have gotten playing time at UT last year if they were at UT instead of Missouri. I'll answer that for you. Not a one. Not one single one of them. And yet, they put on a blocking clinic for our line didn't they. So, what does that tell you.
 
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burgereater said:
There was very little difference in the total amount of playing time, especially when special teams play is counted. So, your argument is extremely weak.

I believe that Treece left him out cause he is white. Really, there is no other possible explanation. I saw on rivals today that Arnold is still on the 2 deep chart. The lack of notice that gets from the media is, well, it is really weird. It is the day and age in which we live.

Do I like to see white boys getting some playing time. You betchya. Especially home grown ones. I believe at least 90% of the white folks in this state feel the same way. We do not want a white kid to play over a black kid if the black kid is better, of course not. But we also do not want a black kid to play over a white kid if the white kid is better. I would like to see the numbers: what is Arnold's 40 time compared to Randolph, McNeil. What is his bench, squat, short shuddle time, long shuttle time, all these things compared to the safeties there now and the ones coming in August.

Also, one last thing. How many of those Missouri offensive linemen would have gotten playing time at UT last year if they were at UT instead of Missouri. I'll answer that for you. Not a one. Not one single one of them. And yet, they put on a blocking clinic for our line didn't they. So, what does that tell you.
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What are you talking about? Swafford played at least twice as much as Arnold on defense and special teams. He had a TD on defense AND special teams and even started in a few games. Arnold pretty much only played garbage time or if one of our safety's had to sit out a play.

Arnold isn't listed because Treece most likely forgot he was on the team. Hell I forgot all about him. Arnold is a solid walk on, but with TK, McDowell, and Gaulden coming in, he's nt really in the running to see any more playing time than he did (in a very limited role) last season.

Why are you intent on making this a race thing? Arnold is a walk on QB who was moved to safety because our depth was nonexistent. Calling Treece a racist for forgetting about him is a little overboard.

What sportswriters have included Arnold in the position previews for next season? Nobody, because he won't likely factor into the depth chart at safety this season (though he could remain on special teams). It's not because he's white: it's because he's a walk on and we have more talented guys coming in this summer.

Edit: of course he's still in the two deep, most of our recruits at safety haven't stepped onto campus yet. If you think he stays there once the Berrys, TK, Gaulden, and McDowell show up, I'll have some of what you're smoking.
 
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burgereater said:
There was very little difference in the total amount of playing time, especially when special teams play is counted. So, your argument is extremely weak.

I believe that Treece left him out cause he is white. Really, there is no other possible explanation. I saw on rivals today that Arnold is still on the 2 deep chart. The lack of notice that gets from the media is, well, it is really weird. It is the day and age in which we live.

Do I like to see white boys getting some playing time. You betchya. Especially home grown ones. I believe at least 90% of the white folks in this state feel the same way. We do not want a white kid to play over a black kid if the black kid is better, of course not. But we also do not want a black kid to play over a white kid if the white kid is better. I would like to see the numbers: what is Arnold's 40 time compared to Randolph, McNeil. What is his bench, squat, short shuddle time, long shuttle time, all these things compared to the safeties there now and the ones coming in August.

Also, one last thing. How many of those Missouri offensive linemen would have gotten playing time at UT last year if they were at UT instead of Missouri. I'll answer that for you. Not a one. Not one single one of them. And yet, they put on a blocking clinic for our line didn't they. So, what does that tell you.
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Please STOP. You are making a big deal out of nothing and making yourself look bad. Arnold will not be a factor so stop making it something that it really isn't.
 
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