Deficit up 17%

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TheDeeble said:
Hate to be the cynical guy, but who's going to pass that amendment?
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I'm not saying you have to find the person that will get it passed. I'm saying don't support somebody unless they pledge to fight for a balanced budget. You probably won't get it, but you definitely won't get it if you don't demand it.

If everybody who claims to be a fiscal conservative behaved this way, the Republican party would be forced to change. The vast majority of Republicans in office are not even pretending to try.
 
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volinbham said:
then you see your statement is wrong - it increased at a faster rate at times during the Obama administration than this increase.
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Look at the 8 years as a whole. Plus you should probably factor in a little lag time.
But for the sake of keeping it easy, we can look at the rate of increase from a president's first year to his last.
 
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luthervol said:
Look at the 8 years as a whole. Plus you should probably factor in a little lag time.
But for the sake of keeping it easy, we can look at the rate of increase from a president's first year to his last.
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I see you have to massage the data to confirm your blanket statement.

If we are to include lag time what's the right #? 2 years? 3 years? Do you mean average rate of increase from first to last? You ready for 8 years of Trump?

Wanna talk about the Sequester?
 
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volinbham said:
I see you have to massage the data to confirm your blanket statement.

If we are to include lag time what's the right #? 2 years? 3 years? Do you mean average rate of increase from first to last? You ready for 8 years of Trump?

Wanna talk about the Sequester?
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That's why I said skip the obvious need for lag time. Keep it simple. First year and last year.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm saying don't support somebody unless they pledge to fight for a balanced budget. You probably won't get it, but you definitely won't get it if you don't demand it.
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You already know the answer. And nobody is pretending to care about it. D or R. A balanced budget shouldn't be a conservative/liberal point of contention. Both side sides claim to want it, but only at the expense of the other side.

The people in office have no ownership of their terrible fiscal policy. It's not like if you or I took out a 200k loan. That will follow us around for life. When politicians leave office it's not their problem anymore. It just gets added to the giant pool that everyone wants to ignore. Spending someone else's money is easy when you're not liable for mismanagement, loss, or debt.

Everyone here knows there's probably nothing we can do to get politicians to take it seriously. It'll be business as usual until some crisis, failure, or the interest payments just get to be too big to manage. D or R the deficit spending will continue and the debt will grow.
 
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Who cares? Regardless of who is in charge, there will always be a massive deficit. Does this change the every day life for anyone? Not really.

Hint, we have complete idiots running this country. Always have, always will.
 
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ajvol01 said:
You can talk rate of increase all you want.

Obama added $9+ trillion to the debt. He essentially doubled the already massive debt in 8 years.

Obama fans need to own that fact.
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I do.
Reagan almost tripled the debt. Bush 2 MORE than doubled the debt. And Bush 1 increased it more than 50% in 4 years. ALL WORSE THAN OBAMA.
Reagan fans need to own that.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Who cares? Regardless of who is in charge, there will always be a massive deficit. Does this change the every day life for anyone? Not really.

Hint, we have complete idiots running this country. Always have, always will.
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Does that include the Founding Fathers? I'm just curious who was the first idiot and what happened.
 
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luthervol said:
Does that include the Founding Fathers? I'm just curious who was the first idiot and what happened.
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We were in debt the day of our founding. Madison or Jefferson wanted a central bank to borrow money from.
I wonder what the ave per capita debt over a 30 year time span going all the way back to 1776 is? Wasn't Jackson's term the only time we were debt free?
The snag in your R administration theory is who controls and what's happening in the congress. They control the purse.
 
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McDad said:
We were in debt the day of our founding. Madison or Jefferson wanted a central bank to borrow money from.
I wonder what the ave per capita debt over a 30 year time span going all the way back to 1776 is? Wasn't Jackson's term the only time we were debt free?
The snag in your R administration theory is who controls and what's happening in the congress. They control the purse.
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It's certainly a combination of congress and the president. I've just always been amused by the portrayal of repubs. as fiscally responsible and democrats as tax and spend. A number of you on this site, to your credit, don't buy into that bs, but the number of people who do is still staggering.

I also get a kick out of the great number of people who claim that all politicians are evil, idiotic liars; that they always have been and always will be, and then those exact same people are the very ones who view the constitution as some type of mystical, infallible holy document written by near gods.
 
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luthervol said:
It's certainly a combination of congress and the president. I've just always been amused by the portrayal of repubs. as fiscally responsible and democrats as tax and spend. A number of you on this site, to your credit, don't buy into that bs, but the number of people who do is still staggering.

I also get a kick out of the great number of people who claim that all politicians are evil, idiotic liars; that they always have been and always will be, and then those exact same people are the very ones who view the constitution as some type of mystical, infallible holy document written by near gods.
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Our constitution is the greatest document ever written, it’s authors gave us the most perfect system of self and free governance ever devised by man. Through the generations we the citizens have allowed it to be perverted and it’s power diminished.
 
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TheDeeble said:
How many have made that pledge?

How many have then broken it? And what honest person has the funds to defeat the dishonest politicians running?
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It sounds simple. Support those running on lowering the debit and balancing the books.

Who was the last to run for Congress, senate, or POTUS on increasing the debt and not balancing the budget. As part of their attempt to win an election.
 
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hog88 said:
Our constitution is the greatest document ever written, it’s authors gave us the most perfect system of self and free governance ever devised by man. Through the generations we the citizens have allowed it to be perverted and it’s power diminished.
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I agree. Some politicians are great and can and do accomplish incredible things, some aren't and don't.
 
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hog88 said:
Our constitution is the greatest document ever written, it’s authors gave us the most perfect system of self and free governance ever devised by man. Through the generations we the citizens have allowed it to be perverted and it’s power diminished.
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lol... The constitution was designed to give us liberty. Luther faults it for how we use the liberty. Imagine that.
 
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volinbham said:
I see you have to massage the data to confirm your blanket statement.

If we are to include lag time what's the right #? 2 years? 3 years? Do you mean average rate of increase from first to last? You ready for 8 years of Trump?

Wanna talk about the Sequester?
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Gonna give the republicans credit, but withhold blame. LMAO
 
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Orange_Crush said:
lol... The constitution was designed to give us liberty. Luther faults it for how we use the liberty. Imagine that.
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There you go again.
I'm just driving home the point that some politicians obviously do great and brilliant things.
 
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