Democracy Restoration Act, S. 2017

#29
#29
Good topic. Why can't ex-cons own firearms?

Seems like the argument that they should not own firearms is the admission that our current penal system does not work.
 
#31
#31
therealUT said:
Good topic. Why can't ex-cons own firearms?

Seems like the argument that they should not own firearms is the admission that our current penal system does not work.
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Either they're rehabilitated and should have the same rights as every other citizen, or they shouldn't be released.
 
#32
#32
therealUT said:
The fix for America:

1. Abolish any semblance of a popular vote for POTUS and for Senators.
2. Radically increase the number of US Representatives, so that the citizen is actually represented (while radically decreasing salary and benefits for said reps).
3. Abolish the minimum wage.
4. Abolish corporate income tax.
5. Abolish capital gains tax.
6. Restore flogging for all criminal offenses in which one would plan to put said offender back among the population.
7. Abolish prisons as they now operate; prison should only be for those offenders who will never again see the light of day.
8. Restore the original powers of the jury so that the jury not only decides matters of fact but also decides whether they actually think said event counts as criminal.
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:hi:

May I add: courts to truly honor contracts, legalizing everything that doesn't have a victim, and eliminate every federal program that doesn't have a constitutional basis
 
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#34
lawgator1 said:
Democrats propose such legislation to increase the number of lower class and minority voters, who tend to vote Democratic. Just as the Republicans propose legislation to combat imaginary fraud with id requirements and shorter periods of time for early voting to reduce the number of such voters.
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imaginary fraud lmao
 
#36
#36
therealUT said:
Good topic. Why can't ex-cons own firearms?

Seems like the argument that they should not own firearms is the admission that our current penal system does not work.
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I can't see anything in the constitution that grants them the authority to deny anyone their rights post prison.

lawgator1 said:
Unlikely since the GOP can't very well have black people legally owning firearms.
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LG ain't as far off as you may think on this one:

Controlling Guns, Controlling People - Reason Magazine

As an adult I continued to fear and hate guns and to generally align myself with the gun control cause, but Jeff’s suggestion that the regulation of people’s access to guns is essentially conservative nagged at me, unresolved, until I read UCLA law professor Adam Winkler’s stunning new book Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America. At the heart of his narrative, Winkler convincingly argues that the people who began the movement against gun control operated not out of the National Rifle Association’s national headquarters in Washington, D.C., but out of a nondescript two-story brick building three blocks from where I sat staring at that pistol: 3106 Shattuck Avenue, in the heart of radical Berkeley. It was there, in 1967, at the headquarters of the Black Panther Party, that Huey Newton and Bobby Seale planned an armed march into the California State Capitol that “launched the modern gun-rights movement.”

Despite my feelings about guns, even as a child I admired that the Panthers made their name shortly after their founding in 1966 by patrolling West Oakland streets with rifles and shotguns and confronting police officers who were detaining blacks. It seemed to me that there was no more effective means of curbing the daily police brutality being meted out to the residents of Oakland’s ghetto. But I did not know until reading Gunfight that the Panthers’ armed patrols provoked the drafting of legislation that established today’s gun regulation apparatus, or that the champions of that legislation were as conservative as apple pie.

In 1967 Don Mulford, the Republican state assemblyman who represented the Panthers’ patrol zone and who had once famously denounced the Free Speech Movement and anti-war demonstrations at the University of California at Berkeley, introduced a bill inspired by the Panthers that prohibited the public carrying of loaded firearms, open and concealed. As Winkler puts it, the text of what became the Mulford Act “all but pointed a finger at the Panthers when it said, ‘The State of California has witnessed, in recent years, the increasing incidence of organized groups and individuals publicly arming themselves for purposes inimical to the peace and safety of the people of California.’ ” The law made California the first state to ban the open carrying of loaded firearms.

Shortly after Mulford introduced his bill, a contingent of 30 Black Panthers arrived in a convoy of cars in front of the Capitol in Sacramento. They loaded ammunition into .357 Magnums, 12-gauge shotguns, and .45-caliber pistols, then brought the guns up the steps of the statehouse, where Bobby Seale read a statement denouncing the Assembly’s attempt “at keeping the black people disarmed and powerless at the very same time that racist police agencies throughout the country are intensifying the terror and repression of black people.” Seale concluded that “the time has come for black people to arm themselves against this terror before it is too late. The pending Mulford Act brings the hour of doom one step nearer.” With that, the Panthers marched with their weapons through the front doors of the statehouse and into the viewing area of the Assembly chamber. Carrying loaded guns into the Capitol building was perfectly legal—until three months later, when Gov. Ronald Reagan signed the Mulford bill into law.
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#38
KiffinKiller said:
Rehabilitated? I'll believe it when I see it.
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Ya know, there is really nothing about our prison system that works to cause rehabilitation. It is mostly about retribution and passing time. If we focused more on restitution, then we would get much better results.
 
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RespectTradition said:
Ya know, there is really nothing about our prison system that works to cause rehabilitation. It is mostly about retribution and passing time. If we focused more on restitution, then we would get much better results.
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totally agree. Now I don't think everyone can be rehabilitated...but Sweden (I think) has a decent system that attempts to recreate a small society for inmates.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
totally agree. Now I don't think everyone can be rehabilitated...but Sweden (I think) has a decent system that attempts to recreate a small society for inmates.
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England did that and called it Australia. Seemed to work so maybe we should try it
 
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