Dems propose $2.7 trillion in cuts, no tax increase

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lawgator1 said:
Seems like this gives the GOP quite a bit. And no tax increase.

But they oppose it? Huh? That makes no sense.....

Oh, I see. They want less cuts now, in hopes that they can propose more cuts next year that can't pass muster, so that then they can blame that on Obama for the POTUS election.

So instead of blowing a nice hole in the deficit, they'd rather play politics. Those of you complaining that every step by Obama in this process has been about securing votes might want to take a look in the mirror.
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Surely you can see that it's just a debt limit increase with some nonspecific; intangible cuts as window dressing.
 
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tripper said:
Can anyone on this board tell me what Obama's plan is?
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Funny you should ask because yes I can.

His plan is to try to bully conservatives into going with his benignly named "balanced approach" in betrayal of the people who put them in power. His "balanced approach" calls for tax increases NOW in exchange for maybe, possibly some sort of spending cuts way... waaaaay out in the future. Those spending cuts will have to be specified by Congress and particularly the GOP. When they're proposed, Obama will demagogue those proposals such that they NEVER have any chance of taking place.

End results:

- Obama discredits the GOP with TPer's and conservatives for failing to keep their promises

- Obama discredits the GOP with swing voters for actually proposing spending cuts

- Tax rates go up

- Obama's corporate buddies continue to get their breaks and more

- Gov't continues to expand

Besides his disingenuous approach to these negotiations, we have Obama's actions when the TP backed reps were not there to force the debate back to balancing the budget. Where was Obama's concern when he was throwing money away on the bail outs and stimulus? Where was his concern when he passed Obamacare while LYING about it being a cost saver when he knew it was not true?

Are we now to believe he's a born again budget hawk? Only someone as gullible as LG would believe that.
 
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GAVol said:
Surely you can see that it's just a debt limit increase with some nonspecific; intangible cuts as window dressing.
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Still waiting to hear why R's not accepting this is terrible but D's not accepting the Boehner plan makes perfect sense.
 
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The Obama plan is the "balanced approach".

I do know it eliminates tax breaks for corporate jet owners...
 
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utvolpj said:
Obama himself wouldn't answer your question
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fyp

Obama has every intention of raising taxes and growing gov't. He has no intention of cutting spending or interest in balancing the budget.

Progressives/liberals have gotten and kept power for the better part of 100 years by buying votes with tax payer dollars. Of late, their master stroke was to buy it with the tax dollars and good credit of our progeny. It works to keep them in power... Why would they change anything now?
 
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so Harry Reid proposes reductions in the rate of growth for government programs and calls it deficit reduction

15 years ago when Newt and the GOP proposed similarmeasures to help balance the budget, the democrats screamed about draconian cuts and how Newt wanted our grandparents to be forced to eat dog food.
 
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sjt18 said:
Obama has every intention of raising taxes and growing gov't. He has no intention of cutting spending or interest in balancing the budget.
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Which is why I can see the republicans pov by not wanting to raise the debt ceiling till actual cuts are made.

The democrats have shown no interest in cutting govt spending. The only thing they want to do is raise taxes, which is like throwing a softball against a brick wall when it comes to deficit reduction.

The second the debt ceiling is raised, you will hear/see nothing from the democrats regarding reducing govt spending.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Which is why I can see the republicans pov by not wanting to raise the debt ceiling till actual cuts are made.

The democrats have shown no interest in cutting govt spending. The only thing they want to do is raise taxes, which is like throwing a softball against a brick wall when it comes to deficit reduction.

The second the debt ceiling is raised, you will hear/see nothing from the democrats regarding reducing govt spending.
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As evidence you can look to:

1) the budget proposal the POTUS put forward with virtually no cuts

2) the demand in April from the POTUS that the debt-ceiling vote be "clean" with no spending cuts.

3) the state of the union speech were he talked about increasing investments in education, green energy, high-speed rail, etc.

Interesting that now he's all about cutting spending.
 
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volinbham said:
As evidence you can look to:

1) the budget proposal the POTUS put forward with virtually no cuts

2) the demand in April from the POTUS that the debt-ceiling vote be "clean" with no spending cuts.

3) the state of the union speech were he talked about increasing investments in education, green energy, high-speed rail, etc.

Interesting that now he's all about cutting spending.
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He isn't rigid and is willing to offend his own political base to both deal with the immediate issue and make long term progress on the budget deficit.

I would think you would applaud his change of heart, rather than mock it. At least he's being responsive.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He isn't rigid and is willing to offend his own political base to both deal with the immediate issue and make long term progress on the budget deficit.

I would think you would applaud his change of heart, rather than mock it. At least he's being responsive.
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It isn't a change of heart - it's self preservation. Nothing to cheer in that.
 
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he's offended his own political base how? by lying and saying he's cutting medicare 20 years from now?
 
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