Depth of the Phillip Fulmer hole

[HoustonVOLfan]

That is confidential... Between Phil and his proctologist!

:moon2::salute:

 

[thunder5]

I have no interest whatsover in discussing this topic....

Oh wait...you're talking about the train wreck of a program he left behind....my bad

 

[MikeHamiltonFan]

I think people should know just what Dooley has and does not have.

Some of it is Kiffin's fault, but a great deal more is the fault of Phillip Fulmer.

There are plenty of people on here who refuse to see the FACT that the last 4 years of his recruiting primarily consisted of miss after miss after miss when it came to big time talent.

Consider the class that contained Jamal Lewis, Travis Henry, Travis Stephens, Cosey Coleman etc. Tons of NFL talent in that group.

Look at the NFL talent from Fulmer's last 4 years...Sad.

 

[smokey90]

I think one has to consider the attrition due to Kiffin. I read that 32 has left since Kiffin's hiring. I remember when Kiffin ran off so many of the OL, I knew we were going to have problems. Then a lot of other players left too. I am glad we didn't lose Poole. I think with so many empty spots on the roster UT would be better with them and the other. Even if they would not be starters, they could provide some playing time.

Besides, Fulmer could still spot talent. Look at Hughes, or Dan Williams was 1st rounder (3 star). Hamilton should have built on what UT had, and not let Kiffin come and dismantle that program.

Many on here like to criticize Fulmer, but that was as good as UT has been for many decades. Might have been time for a change, but it was not time to slash and burn.

 

[smokey90]

I think people should know just what Dooley has and does not have.

Some of it is Kiffin's fault, but a great deal more is the fault of Phillip Fulmer.

There are plenty of people on here who refuse to see the FACT that the last 4 years of his recruiting primarily consisted of miss after miss after miss when it came to big time talent.

Consider the class that contained Jamal Lewis, Travis Henry, Travis Stephens, Cosey Coleman etc. Tons of NFL talent in that group.

Look at the NFL talent from Fulmer's last 4 years...Sad.

It is ironic that you compare a Fulmer class to a prior Fulmer class in you criticism of Fulmer. Kiffin was/is cancer to UT football not the solution, and that falls squarely on Hamilton.

 

[MikeHamiltonFan]

smokey,

Rodney Garner was the reason for many of the best players in that class, but yes I was comparing Fulmer when he was doing more than eating and clapping with Fulmer in his horrific decline...

No way to know if Kiffin would have succeeded if he stuck around instead of Pete Carroll leaving before the NCAA hammer could fall. What anyone who examines the facts knows is that Fulmer was doing an awful job on recruiting and player development before he was fired.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

I would agree that to an extent recruiting did suffer down the stretch compared to earlier in his career. But, I contend that the problem lies more so in player development/coaching in general. What we saw over the last 5-7 years of Fulmer's career was nothing more than his mediocrity as a coach.

Case in point...

When Fulmer was let go he was the longest tenured coach in the SEC. Why? Because every other school had made coaching changes; improved coaching changes. When Fulmer was dominating the conference in the 90's (other than Spurrier and UF) the conference was not dominating college football like it is now.

Look at what coaches have won SEC titles since Fulmer's last one: Saban (3), Meyer (2) Richt (2), Miles and Tubberville. Only Tubberville (Ole Miss) was in the conference at the time of Fulmer's run of success. Not only did these coaches elevate the prominence of those programs in the conference, they did so on a national level as well. All of them, except Tubberville, have finished at least 2nd in the country on multiple occasions, and three have won NC's.

Instead, Fulmer was dominating the likes of Mike DuBose and Mike Shula, Ray Goff and Jim Donnan, Ron Zook, Brad Scott and Gerry DiNardo. Only one of which is still a HC, and Zook won't be around much longer.

Obviously some of Fulmer's classes were overrated on paper, BUT on paper we had equivalent if not superior talent as these other programs. Once the rest of the conference woke up and decided they were commited to winning, they took the necessary steps to get there and did so at Tennessee and Fulmer's expense. In the second half of Fulmer's tenure his coaching abilities were exposed time and time again.

 

[MUR73]

that's an awfully high powered semicolon.

Well, we are talking about the depths of Fulmers hole after all.

 

[utgibbs]

Don't try to confuse kpt with the facts; he's still trying to claim we were better in the 70's than we were this decade.

That SEC Championship in 1979 really swings it in favor of the 1970s.....

:crazy:

 

[utgibbs]

smokey,

rodney garner was the reason for many of the best players in that class, but yes i was comparing fulmer when he was doing more than eating and clapping with fulmer in his horrific decline...

No way to know if kiffin would have succeeded if he stuck around instead of pete carroll leaving before the ncaa hammer could fall. What anyone who examines the facts knows is that fulmer was doing an awful job on recruiting and player development before he was fired.

#5, 26, 59, 129, 151, 168, +1.

Gsm.

 

[kptvol]

#5, 26, 59, 129, 151, 168, +1.

Gsm.

Crompton absolutely can't be counted toward Fulmer. I'd say no way on Scott, as well, and maybe not McClendon. Considering what happened to Arian, you wonder about Hardesty, too.

 

[kptvol]

That SEC Championship in 1979 really swings it in favor of the 1970s.....

:crazy:

So what you're saying is that the decades are even and that your hero led us to 10 years of utter mediocrity.