Derek Jeter wins 5th gold glove

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Jeter was 7th in UZR. That calculates the number of runs above or below average a fielder is in both range runs, outfield arm runs, double play runs and error runs combined.

It's not the end all, be all, but it's a much better stat then fielding percentage. Alexi Ramirez was #1. Andrus was up there too.
 
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Making all the plays right at you is nice, but Jeter is a statue at SS now. There is no way he should have won the award.
 
#5
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He's never had great range and it's even worse now. Other SSs go try to make plays on balls Jeter just lets go by and sometimes it costs them an error
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#6
#6
It's a popularity award. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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If you turned a bucket over on its side at the SS position, it would have a great fielding percentage too. Jeter was never very good in the field even when he was "good."

The interesting thing to me about the Jeter situation isn't whether the Yankees are going to sign him -- of course they are -- but how long they're going to let him play SS. And they can't move him to 3B like you usually would with an aging star SS because Rodriguez is there. In a couple of years they're either going to have the worst fielding SS in the majors or the worst DH in the AL.
 
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This guy is seriously overplaying his cards turning down 3 years at over $20m per. The Yankees should tell him to go ****, then get him for 3 years at $10-12 per in a month.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
This guy is seriously overplaying his cards turning down 3 years at over $20m per. The Yankees should tell him to go ****, then get him for 3 years at $10-12 per in a month.
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No kidding. Have a press conference in which you explain the "more than generous" offer you made to Jeter, wish him luck in the future, and then float a rumor that you're exploring a trade with the Marlins for Hanley Ramirez. People will believe anything about the Marlins. Jeter would be groveling for a contract in about 15 minutes.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
No kidding. Have a press conference in which you explain the "more than generous" offer you made to Jeter, wish him luck in the future, and then float a rumor that you're exploring a trade with the Marlins for Hanley Ramirez. People will believe anything about the Marlins. Jeter would be groveling for a contract in about 15 minutes.
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would love that scenario as long as they actually got Ramirez
 
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kev20 said:
would love that scenario as long as they actually got Ramirez
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Yankees fans would get over Jeter pretty quickly if they got Ramirez, wouldn't they? Or even Troy Tulowitzki? Either would be a massive upgrade over what you can expect Jeter to give you over the next couple years.

The Yankees' leverage here is that nobody else will pay Jeter remotely what he wants. Jeter's leverage is....what? That Yankee fans will be so upset if the Yankees don't sign him that they'll quit buying tickets and hats? Jeter needs the Yankees a hell of a lot more than they need him.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Yankees fans would get over Jeter pretty quickly if they got Ramirez, wouldn't they? Or even Troy Tulowitzki? Either would be a massive upgrade over what you can expect Jeter to give you over the next couple years.

The Yankees' leverage here is that nobody else will pay Jeter remotely what he wants. Jeter's leverage is....what? That Yankee fans will be so upset if the Yankees don't sign him that they'll quit buying tickets and hats? Jeter needs the Yankees a hell of a lot more than they need him.
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If Jeter is Mr. Yankee like how he loves to be called and portrayed, he'll cut out this BS. Cashman and the Steinbrenner's need to play hard with him. Turning that down was the best thing that could have happened. Put the onus on him to take a lesser deal or go play in a smaller market where that face isn't seen so much.
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I know a few Yankee fans who would have been angry if they had just let him walk without much of an effort to bring him back. I don't think any of them would be angry about it after he turned down $60 million. That flips the narrative from "Ungrateful Rich Team Dumps Aging Legend" to "Greedy Athlete Tries To Extort Underserved Money." The Yankees have all the leverage now, should they choose to use it.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I know a few Yankee fans who would have been angry if they had just let him walk without much of an effort to bring him back. I don't think any of them would be angry about it after he turned down $60 million. That flips the narrative from "Ungrateful Rich Team Dumps Aging Legend" to "Greedy Athlete Tries To Extort Underserved Money." The Yankees have all the leverage now, should they choose to use it.
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Exactly...IMO they made a moronic move by offering what they did, and it's inconceivable that Jeter would turn it down. I think some of that goes to the animosity between Jeter and Rodriguez, perhaps Jeter feels he should be signed through 42 as well?

It seems through informal polling of execs I've seen that the club is offering almost 3 times what his open market value would be. I figure that Jeter and Close are assuming that the Yankees will cave and throw the money and years out there in order to avoid any messy public situation.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
It seems through informal polling of execs I've seen that the club is offering almost 3 times what his open market value would be. I figure that Jeter and Close are assuming that the Yankees will cave and throw the money and years out there in order to avoid any messy public situation.
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Looking at Jorge Posada's contract, that is probably exactly what will happen.
 
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I just don't know how there can be a messy public situation when everybody seems to understand that Jeter is asking for way, way more money than he'd get on the open market. I know a fair number of Yankees fans, and when you ask them about Jeter, every one of them sort of exhales and grits his teeth and says that they hope he comes back and they can't imagine him in another uniform, but you can tell they're all conflicted about the contract he wants. If they go in another direction now, I just can't see the fans blaming them. Jeter's just given the Yankees all the cover they need to avoid handing out a $60 million gold watch.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Jeter's just given the Yankees all the cover they need to avoid handing out a $60 million gold watch.
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my exact thought when I heard the numbers tossed about today. Their comments about where he might otherwise go are on the money. Sit tight, let him ply his wares elsewhere or take a meaningful paycut. I don't see this as overly hard. Jeter needs huge fan support and he's overestimating the value of loyalty.
 
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If I were Cashman and the Steinbrenners I'd be ecstatic at the excuse to go in a different direction, actually. It's not the money, obviously (since money is meaningless to the Yankees), it's the fact that if you sign him to a three- or four-year deal, you're basically married to him at shortstop and leading off for the whole time. You can't move him to third because Rodriguez is there. You can't move him to LF or DH because, let's face it, a guy who's turning down $20m/year right now isn't going to be demoted to LF or DH without a stink. And God help you if you try to move him down in the order. If you can figure out a way to part ways with Jeter now when everybody knows that he's trying to extort you, it solves a lot of potential problems later on.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If I were Cashman and the Steinbrenners I'd be ecstatic at the excuse to go in a different direction, actually.
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This. They offered 3x market value as a goodwill gesture, and had it kicked back. They could easily manage a deal, or maybe bring off FA, a SS with better range and glove, with an OPS+ of 100-110, for 50% of what they offered him.

I'm having a hard time comprehending the gall of turning down 3 years at $21m per.
 
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#23
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Wallace Matthews wrote a tremendous article on the Jeter situation on ESPN.com today.
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#24
#24
They should keep Jeter at a reasonable price, the guy is an icon.

But there are dozens upon dozens of guys in MLB with better range at SS, he needs to be playing first or second.
 
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