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vol66 said:
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a lot of those things many schools already do, Bama just honored a scholarship to a recruit to had a career ending injury in high school while he was commited to Bama, we gave Justin Merdith a medical hardship scholarship, I know south carolina did it with 2 players a year or two ago. Bama just had one of their players come back and re-enroll after he quit the NFL real early, we did that with a couple of our guys after their NFL careers. Medical insurance and testing for concussions is getting there, there are just now long term studies coming out, you can't expect them (schools) to make informed decisions years ago when the first major study has just come back with specific diagnosis of what concussions do (this is coming from a guy with 2 concussions neither football related). and i think i have been clear on where i stand on increasing the scholarship amount (I am completely for it as long as it is the same across schools-or a stipend $2000 a year/or semester doesn't bother me at all-and that is plenty of walking around money)

again my main belief has been go after the guilty parties not broad attacks, give schools/conferences(Big 5) a year or two to fix it and see what happens, I will say before this lawsuit that never would have happened
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I actually think that is a good start but really doesn't address the problem, when I say a "good start", well, I am talking about the mind-set, but they were still way off.

1. The schools should not be colluding as to benefits, compensation, other, etc. by and through the NCAA or division.
2. The schools should be complying with State and Federal law labors, but that does not mean every player should be paid or is an "employee", it depends, get determinations. Duh.
3. Stop interfering with third party employment and compensation... its not anyone's business, in general. I will say in general to this one, I think some limited conduct rules for participating in sports or schools is probably okay, in general.
4. Obtain rights to use likeness and image, should not be tied to the scholarship, but could be tied to an employment contract.

These are some of the way I think some of this can be slowly worked through. What the Big 10 is suggesting is not the solution, as it doesn't address the problem.
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if they do end up as employees many states have laws about public employees (most universities are public institutions) accepting anything from anybody, similar to what the NCAA says. I know about 4-5 years ago so DMV workers in Hamilton county (chattanooga) got fired for allowing people to take them out to eat so they could cut lines at the DMV. again it depends on how each states words the employment.

I know its illegal for people to buy lunches for city officials (Building Department, Council of Code Review and a few others) here in Atlanta, these aren't elected officials these are just people the state employees and to prevent any type of corruption they aren't allowed any favors, so when you say no business operates like this the government sure seems too.
 
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LouderVol said:
a lot of those things many schools already do, Bama just honored a scholarship to a recruit to had a career ending injury in high school while he was commited to Bama, we gave Justin Merdith a medical hardship scholarship, I know south carolina did it with 2 players a year or two ago. Bama just had one of their players come back and re-enroll after he quit the NFL real early, we did that with a couple of our guys after their NFL careers. Medical insurance and testing for concussions is getting there, there are just now long term studies coming out, you can't expect them (schools) to make informed decisions years ago when the first major study has just come back with specific diagnosis of what concussions do (this is coming from a guy with 2 concussions neither football related). and i think i have been clear on where i stand on increasing the scholarship amount (I am completely for it as long as it is the same across schools-or a stipend $2000 a year/or semester doesn't bother me at all-and that is plenty of walking around money)

again my main belief has been go after the guilty parties not broad attacks, give schools/conferences(Big 5) a year or two to fix it and see what happens, I will say before this lawsuit that never would have happened
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I don't really disagree with anything in your post with regards to what the B10 is doing and I've already stated that some schools take care of their athletes, some better than others, some don't do enough, etc...

I think you and I have a fundamental disagreement about what the problems are and what the players want. It goes a lot deeper than pay for play, stipend, cost of attendance, trust funds and NLI for me.
 
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vol66 said:
I agree. It's the bare bones least they can do and only addresses part of the issue and they had to have their feet held to the fire just to do that. If all they do is work to change the public perception it won't fix anything.

I don't think addressing part is going to get it done because one part is now going to have to go through the court process and the other is going to take soul searching on a grand scale about what College Athletics is going to look like...that is if they want to fix the whole.

Coming up with a workable solution for NLI is not enough. They have to come to grips with the fact that the Big 5 have rigged the system. That the Big 5 are only interested in keeping players in MF and MBB eligible. They must admit that even the best intentioned reforms have been sullied.

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College football looks a lot like the NFL because many universities are now recruiting NFL players. If the academic achievement (or lack there of) of a high school athlete is secondary to his size, speed and his overall athletic skill you are no longer recruiting for academic success, but for athletic success.

Take at risk athletes. Couple that with the lowest possible standards. Add to that non-rigorous course work and majors. The ability to leave after one year in MCBB and three years in CFB. A team of people paid to keep them eligible on a five year graduation track, while taking in hundreds of millions of dollars in corporate money.

The perception then is this...The Universities aren't trying very hard to graduate students, but to make money off of athletes.
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the schools have never had a responsibility to graduate students, UT wouldn't have given two damns about me failing out, except that my tuition would have stopped. Why does it have to be different with the players? Why is suddenly their responsibility to make kids stay in college for four years. the student opts to leave after 3 or not. and looking at this past draft most that left after 3 should be regretting it. again its on the student. And if it becomes a 4 year scholarship, how does work if the student wants to leave after 3 years for the NFL, or wants to quit football. The way LSU-SIU is talking it becomes a contract that is sounding more and more one sided. I dont know of any business that once a contract has signed just lets one party out of it whenever they want to just resume it later whenever that party feels like it. In the real world that happens but the second party (the schools) who up held their end aren't usually welcoming back partners that spurned them, usually they find someone to do it and don't hold the contract indefinitely for the first party. again I think there need to be changes, but this hasn't been thought out to be equal (if you don't like the term fair) for all parties, what you are talking about is favoring the players heavily which just means in about 20 years or so things will switch back.
 
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vol66 said:
I don't really disagree with anything in your post with regards to what the B10 is doing and I've already stated that some schools take care of their athletes, some better than others, some don't do enough, etc...

I think you and I have a fundamental disagreement about what the problems are and what the players want. It goes a lot deeper than pay for play, stipend, cost of attendance, trust funds and NLI for me.
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I know these aren't the real problems, they are the symptoms. But in your mind what are the real problems?
 
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LouderVol said:
the schools have never had a responsibility to graduate students, UT wouldn't have given two damns about me failing out, except that my tuition would have stopped. Why does it have to be different with the players? Why is suddenly their responsibility to make kids stay in college for four years. the student opts to leave after 3 or not. and looking at this past draft most that left after 3 should be regretting it. again its on the student. And if it becomes a 4 year scholarship, how does work if the student wants to leave after 3 years for the NFL, or wants to quit football. The way LSU-SIU is talking it becomes a contract that is sounding more and more one sided. I dont know of any business that once a contract has signed just lets one party out of it whenever they want to just resume it later whenever that party feels like it. In the real world that happens but the second party (the schools) who up held their end aren't usually welcoming back partners that spurned them, usually they find someone to do it and don't hold the contract indefinitely for the first party. again I think there need to be changes, but this hasn't been thought out to be equal (if you don't like the term fair) for all parties, what you are talking about is favoring the players heavily which just means in about 20 years or so things will switch back.
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1. You wrote: "the schools have never had a responsibility to graduate students, UT wouldn't have given two damns about me failing out, except that my tuition would have stopped."

That may be true, and it may not be their responsibility, but it ought to be their mission for the folks that are paying money to earn a degree. The players aren't in those circumstances.

The players we are discussing aren't even in the same circumstances as the other scholarship athletes at the University.

One can imagine what is said in the living room of a four or 5 star recruit. We will take care of you, we are like family, look at the players we've put in the NFL at your projected position, but we're about you getting that degree. We know that's important to you and your family. We have the Thornton Center and they will help you 24 hours a day etc...We have everything in place, so if you go to class and take care of your business, that degree will be in your hand.

The difference between you and Marcus Lattimore is that you didn't get that offer, no one stood in your house and said this is what we are going to do for you. You also don't have to go to class worried that if you don't meet expectations outside of the classroom, it can be taken away, no more free ride.
 
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LouderVol said:
I know these aren't the real problems, they are the symptoms. But in your mind what are the real problems?
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I've already posted what I think the core issues are. They are recruiting athletes and it's about height, weight, and 40 times first and their academic record is way down the list. The are paying lip service to education and that's based on graduation rates of these particular athletes.

When they get to school they spend at least twice as much time on sports as they do on academics. Players have said it, Jim Delaney said it, NCAA documents say it and on, and on, and on...

When they get to school, the school's objective has become to keep them eligible and they've hired teams of people to do it and that money comes directly from the revenues the players help generate.

Of those 100 or so players, how many go pro? How many earn a degree? How many get neither? If the last number is bigger than the first two, it's a bad deal for the players.

Everybody sticks their head in the sand and says this is working because the money is worth it.
 
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vol66 said:
1. You wrote: "the schools have never had a responsibility to graduate students, UT wouldn't have given two damns about me failing out, except that my tuition would have stopped."

That may be true, and it may not be their responsibility, but it ought to be their mission for the folks that are paying money to earn a degree. The players aren't in those circumstances.

The players we are discussing aren't even in the same circumstances as the other scholarship athletes at the University.

One can imagine what is said in the living room of a four or 5 star recruit. We will take care of you, we are like family, look at the players we've put in the NFL at your projected position, but we're about you getting that degree. We know that's important to you and your family. We have the Thornton Center and they will help you 24 hours a day etc...We have everything in place, so if you go to class and take care of your business, that degree will be in your hand.

The difference between you and Marcus Lattimore is that you didn't get that offer, no one stood in your house and said this is what we are going to do for you. You also don't have to go to class worried that if you don't meet expectations outside of the classroom, it can be taken away, no more free ride.
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My sister has a full ride to UT, infact there was enough left over to cover meal plan and some of room and board. Its not up to her to graduate, its up to the people (the University) who gave her a full ride and dem sum to make sure she graduates.

Yeah the players we are discussing have it much better, and a much better possibility of making millions out of college playing their sport, they choose/have the right body to play a sport that makes more money than say a tennis, or soccer player. The other scholarship athletes know they won't make it professionally (they could just like the football players can) so you can bet they take their education more seriously. The only difference is the scholarship athletes accept that they won't make a living off their sport and have a back up plan. And even if a player does it get drafted that's no guarantee of financial well being for life, we here about it all the time players going broke, hell Butch and many other coaches like to bring in guest speakers that had it all and failed somehow, Pacman Jones this year, you would think they would realize an education has a value. Even a bs degree can get you into doors a GED can't. Just to go ahead and through it out there the military lets you enter OTS if you have a bachelors degree, big step up from the grunts. even fast food restaurants are requiring a degree for managers.

you third paragraph is exactly why they should be able to succeed not fail, and none of it is a lie, because at that point and even in college, for the most part, its up to the student to succeed or fail. Its like saying I should have been given a D1 scholarship because I played varsity football at my high school (i didn't). It doesn't matter if i earned the scholarship on the field it should just be given to me by the system, I was promised if i worked hard i would get it. Lies right there, not everyone makes it in life, tough ****, as soon as everyone and these players realize this they can get their **** together and start actually dealing with problems and setting themselves up for life. (sorry for the run on)

The players are a part of a system they bought into, hook line and sinker. they know the NFL draft only takes a certain number of players each year, they know NFL teams only have 53 man rosters. They know college teams can only be so big. The kids want to hear they are the best because that tells them they have a good shot, no promise. There are only two certainties in life death and taxes, sadly death is often taxed. just because they have people coming into their house saying this and that and making promises it matters not one bit if the player doesn't have his **** together. a saying my dad is found of "An idiot always get what he deserves" do yeah promises are made but if the recruit and family aren't taking it with a grain of salt its on them, buyer beware.
 
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LouderVol said:
My sister has a full ride to UT, infact there was enough left over to cover meal plan and some of room and board. Its not up to her to graduate, its up to the people (the University) who gave her a full ride and dem sum to make sure she graduates.

Yeah the players we are discussing have it much better, and a much better possibility of making millions out of college playing their sport, they choose/have the right body to play a sport that makes more money than say a tennis, or soccer player. The other scholarship athletes know they won't make it professionally (they could just like the football players can) so you can bet they take their education more seriously. The only difference is the scholarship athletes accept that they won't make a living off their sport and have a back up plan. And even if a player does it get drafted that's no guarantee of financial well being for life, we here about it all the time players going broke, hell Butch and many other coaches like to bring in guest speakers that had it all and failed somehow, Pacman Jones this year, you would think they would realize an education has a value. Even a bs degree can get you into doors a GED can't. Just to go ahead and through it out there the military lets you enter OTS if you have a bachelors degree, big step up from the grunts. even fast food restaurants are requiring a degree for managers.

you third paragraph is exactly why they should be able to succeed not fail, and none of it is a lie, because at that point and even in college, for the most part, its up to the student to succeed or fail. Its like saying I should have been given a D1 scholarship because I played varsity football at my high school (i didn't). It doesn't matter if i earned the scholarship on the field it should just be given to me by the system, I was promised if i worked hard i would get it. Lies right there, not everyone makes it in life, tough ****, as soon as everyone and these players realize this they can get their **** together and start actually dealing with problems and setting themselves up for life. (sorry for the run on)

The players are a part of a system they bought into, hook line and sinker. they know the NFL draft only takes a certain number of players each year, they know NFL teams only have 53 man rosters. They know college teams can only be so big. The kids want to hear they are the best because that tells them they have a good shot, no promise. There are only two certainties in life death and taxes, sadly death is often taxed. just because they have people coming into their house saying this and that and making promises it matters not one bit if the player doesn't have his **** together. a saying my dad is found of "An idiot always get what he deserves" do yeah promises are made but if the recruit and family aren't taking it with a grain of salt its on them, buyer beware.
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"My sister has a full ride to UT, infact there was enough left over to cover meal plan and some of room and board."

I'm confused by this sentence. Is you sister an in-state or out of state student?
 
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bamawriter said:
If they were to offer all of that, and add on an escrow account for each player to compensate them for the use of their likenesses, payable at the end of their college eligibility, then I think that's absolutely fair.

And I'm willing to bet the players would readily agree to it.
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As I've said before, the NFL needs a minor league system. College athletics was designed for student-athletes, and that's the way it should remain. There are way too many schools run by the football program. Coaches make more than school presidents. Kids with very sub-standard academic credentials are given full "academic" scholarships so that fans can watch them as gladiators on Saturdays. The system has become bastardized. And it's only getting worse every year. :hi:
 
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vol66 said:
"My sister has a full ride to UT, infact there was enough left over to cover meal plan and some of room and board."

I'm confused by this sentence. Is you sister an in-state or out of state student?
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she is in state, the scholarships she has completely covers tuition, so she gets the rest as a check from UT, she uses that money on meal plan and the rest towards room and board up there. She is getting paid to go to UT like the players, according to your reasoning because she is not paying for it, it is not her responsibility to graduate it is the schools responsibility to make sure she graduates. trying to point out the fallacy in your logic.

edit: to further clarify, we are from chattanooga, so she has to have a place to stay in knoxville, and UT requires freshman non commuters to live on campus
 
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LouderVol said:
she is in state, the scholarships she has completely covers tuition, so she gets the rest as a check from UT, she uses that money on meal plan and the rest towards room and board up there. She is getting paid to go to UT like the players, according to your reasoning because she is not paying for it, it is not her responsibility to graduate it is the schools responsibility to make sure she graduates. trying to point out the fallacy in your logic.
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Bull crap. The school would like her to graduate, but is ultimately unconcerned if she doesn't.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
As I've said before, the NFL needs a minor league system. College athletics was designed for student-athletes, and that's the way it should remain. There are way too many schools run by the football program. Coaches make more than school presidents. Kids with very sub-standard academic credentials are given full "academic" scholarships so that fans can watch them as gladiators on Saturdays. The system has become bastardized. And it's only getting worse every year. :hi:
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I haven't read the scholarship terminology to know for sure, but I doubt scholarships for athletics are academic ones. but schools can give away scholarships for whatever, and do so for many merits beyond academics. The football scholarship is merit based on the performance in high school football, just like a academic scholarship is based on performance in high school academics. You have to maintain a satisfactory level in college to maintain either, yet it is unfair that the players have to maintain theirs. I lost an academic scholarship bc my GPA fell 0.01 below the required amount, but its fair for the players to keep theirs if they don't apply themselves.

If it doesn't work out for the players it doesn't work out. It doesn't matter how hard they work, sometimes life sucks, you don't always get what you deserve, or sometimes someone comes along and takes what was yours because they are better. I busted my ass in college graduated with a C+ average, damn proud of that grade because I earned it even if it wasn't as high as other people's who didn't work as hard. As i said i lost my scholarship even though i busted my ass, why this favoritism to the players?
 
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bamawriter said:


Bull crap. The school would like her to graduate, but is ultimately unconcerned if she doesn't.
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exactly, read the last sentence there bw. for one of my shortest posts it shouldn't be that difficult. pointing out the university doesn't care about normal students but its their job to care about athletes......see what I am saying, double standard in favor of the athletes.

edit: see the bold, hands slower than my brain
 
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vol66 said:
Of those 100 or so players, how many go pro? How many earn a degree? How many get neither? If the last number is bigger than the first two, it's a bad deal for the players.
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I would love to see numbers on this. but that last number is going to be influenced by every player that doesn't stick around for whatever reason or gets kicked out, yet it makes the number worse. I am trying to hold the players accountable for their actions, yet in this situation it makes the school look bad when the kids are doing drugs, beating up women or robbing people with water pistols.
 
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LouderVol said:
exactly, read the last sentence there bw. for one of my shortest posts it shouldn't be that difficult. pointing out the university doesn't care about normal students but its their job to care about athletes......see what I am saying, double standard in favor of the athletes.

edit: see the bold, hands slower than my brain
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Then you weren't rephrasing his actual point.
 
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bamawriter said:
Then you weren't rephrasing his actual point.
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what a lot of people have been saying on here is the players are getting the shaft from the universities in part because the university/coach say they are going to help them graduate. That promise and the tutors (any level of tutors-from actually just helping the students-to giving the students a tutor that strips for right answers think Kiffin- to the tutors that do that homework for them) that right there is more than the average student gets. Which is why i was pointing out the university wouldn't do **** if my sister was failing. The students are getting help, again unless you are proposing that the schools just let the students pass bs classes, UNC, helping them get a degree is meeting that promise. ultimately it is up to the student on whether they pass or fail independent of how much help they get or how much time football takes.
 
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LouderVol said:
what a lot of people have been saying on here is the players are getting the shaft from the universities in part because the university/coach say they are going to help them graduate. That promise and the tutors (any level of tutors-from actually just helping the students-to giving the students a tutor that strips for right answers think Kiffin- to the tutors that do that homework for them) that right there is more than the average student gets. Which is why i was pointing out the university wouldn't do **** if my sister was failing. The students are getting help, again unless you are proposing that the schools just let the students pass bs classes, UNC, helping them get a degree is meeting that promise. ultimately it is up to the student on whether they pass or fail independent of how much help they get or how much time football takes.
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Your sister has a vested in her education. Many athletes don't.
 
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what does it matter that the players spend more time and effort on football than school, it doesn't even matter if the school requires more than that. The NCAA has come out and set maximums the players can spend in practice, how much time they spend with coaches etc etc. So they have at least addressed (if not correctly) that problem. How many students that you knew had full time jobs, or families. Yet they still went to college, and I would definitely say in the case of families college wasn't even their main concern. I knew dozens of people who did this. Same thing as football players having to put in time on practice, video review, workout sessions etc. Everyone keeps wanting to put the players on a pedestal and say no one in college did similar things, had as many demands on them. I say this with complete honesty, and if you knew me you would know I am humble so I am not trying to brag, I wish I put in the hours football players did. That would have been sooo much less work than what I did. I have had two doctors tell me because of all the nights I spent without sleep that I should get counselling. The players aren't unique in the demands placed upon them, they aren't even the worse, I was not even the worst in my class. Stop with the pity party.

People make money off of other peoples hard work, that's capitalism. CEOs make billions when the people actually making the product/service/whatever make minimum wage. Hell we pay Congress and they haven't done anything in years, we barely get a budget approved. Stop acting like this is unique this is the only thing that needs improving and that this **** doesn't happen everywhere. The players are getting a damn good opportunity I would have fought for, and I think most of us here would have too. The US government thinks a scholarship is a fair way to pay our soldiers, if they choose the GI option, stop saying a scholarship is not a fair way to pay the players. I think some of the people have the silver spoon so far up their rear they don't even know the value of the things they were given. I was given it too but at least I appreciate it for its value.

With a lot of these kids they come from impoverished backgrounds, colleges take care of them for 4-5 years better than I had it growing up and I wasn't hurting for anything. Life liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. America was built on the principal that you could have the opportunity to better yourself by your hard work, and that exactly what these colleges are doing, giving these players a chance to improve themselves and their situation, off of the players own hard work.

sorry for run-ons and gramitical errors, when i get going I don't stop.
 
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LouderVol said:
she is in state, the scholarships she has completely covers tuition, so she gets the rest as a check from UT, she uses that money on meal plan and the rest towards room and board up there. She is getting paid to go to UT like the players, according to your reasoning because she is not paying for it, it is not her responsibility to graduate it is the schools responsibility to make sure she graduates. trying to point out the fallacy in your logic.

edit: to further clarify, we are from chattanooga, so she has to have a place to stay in knoxville, and UT requires freshman non commuters to live on campus
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If your sister is on the basketball or volleyball team she likely has a full ride, if not, she's likely on a partial. It's really neither here nor there because the graduation rates for those sports are as high or higher than the average college students at UT. Respectfully, I feel a little uncomfortable talking about your sister who happens to be at UT on a message board, so I'd like to leave her out of this.

Just to be clear. I believe that the kids we are talking about, men's basketball and football players, should be accountable. They should go to class, take their own tests and be good up standing citizens on campus.

I'm saying that in these two sports eligibility has taken the place of graduating. The focus, the energy, the money is spent to make sure they stay eligible and you'd think with all that more kids in these two sports would be graduating at the rates of their peers. Especially when you look at the eligibility requirements. You have to have a 1.8 GPA to be eligible as a freshmen, 1.9 as a sophomore and a 2.0 as a junior. I mean...

I always get shouted down for bringing up Pat Summitt, when she told a parent the kid would get a degree, the kid got a degree. High standards gets a better result most of time. Stanford is an example of trying to get it right.

I don't have much time to add more right now and look.... lots of people don't care if these kids graduate as long as they wear the jersey and win games, that's enough for lots of people. I don't have an issue with that as long as those same people are willing to admit that all this "student athlete" "they're students first" "why are they amateurs? Because we don't pay them" Why don't you pay them? Because they are amateurs?" is a load of horse manure.
 
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Alabama cheats and has ties to the NCAA, these are both facts.

College athletes do not need to get paid. Along with massive scholarships that cover everything, state and federal grants and student loans they have plenty of money.

That is all.
 
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vol66 said:
If your sister is on the basketball or volleyball team she likely has a full ride, if not, she's likely on a partial. It's really neither here nor there because the graduation rates for those sports are as high or higher than the average college students at UT. Respectfully, I feel a little uncomfortable talking about your sister who happens to be at UT on a message board, so I'd like to leave her out of this.

Just to be clear. I believe that the kids we are talking about, men's basketball and football players, should be accountable. They should go to class, take their own tests and be good up standing citizens on campus.

I'm saying that in these two sports eligibility has taken the place of graduating. The focus, the energy, the money is spent to make sure they stay eligible and you'd think with all that more kids in these two sports would be graduating at the rates of their peers. Especially when you look at the eligibility requirements. You have to have a 1.8 GPA to be eligible as a freshmen, 1.9 as a sophomore and a 2.0 as a junior. I mean...

I always get shouted down for bringing up Pat Summitt, when she told a parent the kid would get a degree, the kid got a degree. High standards gets a better result most of time. Stanford is an example of trying to get it right.

I don't have much time to add more right now and look.... lots of people don't care if these kids graduate as long as they wear the jersey and win games, that's enough for lots of people. I don't have an issue with that as long as those same people are willing to admit that all this "student athlete" "they're students first" "why are they amateurs? Because we don't pay them" Why don't you pay them? Because they are amateurs?" is a load of horse manure.
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The Pat Summit thing is one reason I love Butch, its too early to tell but he seems to be going after the players that are going to do it the right way. I honestly think they should be students first, and I hate hate hate listening to interviews and its painfully obvious these guys don't have a basic education. I wish the whole NCAA worked that way, honestly caring about the education like i feel Butch does, but I know it won't happen. I have always believed university first before players. Like i have said before I cheer for UT not ,insert player name here, thats why I don't care about who the coaches recruit, as long as they want the recruit that is fine by me.

For me with the NCAA and the universities right now people are pointing out all the bad, look at all the players that didn't succeed, I always look at it the opposite way. How many of these players wouldn't have a chance without it.

I agree with you about the energy on keeping them eligible part, but again I look at it from the other side, the players that are getting help towards their degree are helping those eligible numbers. Basically I see it as a start, if you aren't keeping them eligible at the least, you definitely aren't helping them get a degree. It seems like they should spend more energy to get them from eligible to degree seeking, not less. again it falls on the student whether or not they really want the degree or if they are using the system
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Alabama cheats and has ties to the NCAA, these are both facts.

College athletes do not need to get paid. Along with massive scholarships that cover everything, state and federal grants and student loans they have plenty of money.

That is all.
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only part I am commenting on is the middle. The scholarships cover all school costs, but nothing else, so you can't say everything. I would love to see it either increased or the stipend idea, hell even a system where the player can get whatever money he needs from the school as long as he has receipts. basically they go out and spend money on a burger and a movie, school reimburses them, they go out and buy alcohol and a car, school doesn't pony it up. as long as there is some accountability I am all for it
 
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