Devrin Young

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thebiglowboski said:
And I understand what an average is. Apparently u don't. If u don't count one play or one grade. U include them all to get an average!!!
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The point that you are missing is that you need a running back to be consistent. While big plays are nice, it would be very dogmatic to say that Young can be depended upon to pick up 3 or 4 tough yards because he averages over 5 yards a carry. That 5 plus ypc stat depends almost exclusively on one carry. Every carry is equally important. Gaining 0 or 1 yard multiple times hurts the team just as much as one carry of 30 yards helps. Bottom line: when Young gets the ball, chances are that he will not be productive.
 
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#1DicksonVolFan said:
The point that you are missing is that you need a running back to be consistent. While big plays are nice, it would be very dogmatic to say that Young can be depended upon to pick up 3 or 4 tough yards because he averages over 5 yards a carry. That 5 plus ypc stat depends almost exclusively on one carry. Every carry is equally important. Gaining 0 or 1 yard multiple times hurts the team just as much as one carry of 30 yards helps. Bottom line: when Young gets the ball, chances are that he will not be productive.
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Except we are designed to be a big play offense and not a grind it out offense.
 
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NMVol said:
Except we are designed to be a big play offense and not a grind it out offense.
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We are a big play PASSING offense. In the sec, you need a rb who can consistently move the chains on short yardage situations. Clearly, Young should not be the starting rb.
 
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NMVol said:
Except we are designed to be a big play offense and not a grind it out offense.
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So would you rather get stuffed on 3rd down multiple times in exchange for one "big" play later in the game? What if another back comes in the game, bangs on some people, moves the chains, and we hit a big play through the air later on that drive? We are more likely to have a big play through the air than on the ground, correct? Therefore, it only seems logical to move the chains and get the passing game more opportunities to make plays instead of looking to the run game, which isn't the team strength, to make big plays. Getting Bray a fresh set of downs is the best choice each and every time. When a big play is needed, Bray needs to have the ball. The running game needs to assist Bray, not potentially take away opportunities.
 
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The Orange Pants said:
So would you rather get stuffed on 3rd down multiple times in exchange for one "big" play later in the game? What if another back comes in the game, bangs on some people, moves the chains, and we hit a big play through the air later on that drive? We are more likely to have a big play through the air than on the ground, correct? Therefore, it only seems logical to move the chains and get the passing game more opportunities to make plays instead of looking to the run game, which isn't the team strength, to make big plays. Getting Bray a fresh set of downs is the best choice each and every time. When a big play is needed, Bray needs to have the ball. The running game needs to assist Bray, not potentially take away opportunities.
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I am about to sign off. Maybe you have the analysis of how many of DY's runs were on 3rd down ready for me when I check the board tomorrow. Nighty night.
 
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The reason people take out the one big run is because in statistics and averages there is something that was taught in 3rd grade along with mean, median and mode called outliers. It is a rare exception in a group of data that skews the results. In this case, the long run. Take it out and you have a more accurate measure on his work.

Young is a scatback/3rd down back and a return man. That's it. We should use him in the offense how the patriots used kevin faulk.
 
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NMVol said:
Right and if you take away 39 points the Vols lose today 13-12.


Seems like deja vu?
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Actually, he had a pretty legit gripe. 16 yards on 7 carries averages out to 2.3 yards per carry. That's bad, and an occasional big play isn't enough.

I don't think the run game is as bad as some people on here do, but I do think Young as a "change-of-pace back" hurts us. Start Lane, and play Neal. No need for Devrin to be on the field unless he's in for plays that get him in space.
 
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dooley2 said:
Start Lane, and play Neal. No need for Devrin to be on the field unless he's in for plays that get him in space.
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This.

I keep thinking that the coaches are trying to put as many "weapons" on the field as possible, and they feel that Neal and Young have more big play ability than Lane.

I personally think we have plenty of weapons on the field with Hunter, Patterson, Rivera, and need a consistent running back that may not have the break away speed worse than a "potential" play maker, who hasn't shown the ability to make big plays.

I just think we run the ball a little bit better with Lane running.

But I'm not the coach, so what do I know?
 
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Devrin's biggest liabiltiy as a RB is he really needs space to operate. Yes, he's always a threat to rip off a nice gain. He's also a very nice option out of the backfield on passing downs. Still, at his stature he's not going to give you much in the YAC stats. OTOH let's get some perspective, Young's only carried 10 times in two games and I very much doubt you're going to see that number increase against SEC teams.

Clearly the coaches saw him do enough in practice/scrimmage to get him carries. He didn't get himself onto the field by winning a raffle. He's still at his best, IMO, in the return game.
 
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The Orange Pants said:
You are completely missing the point. Young is not consistently picking up a solid amount of yards. That's what this team needs. Somebody to move the chains on 3rd down. The breakdown indicates that Young is more likely to pick up 0-3 yards than he is to pick up 4-7 yards. You want to use an outlier to validate your argument. Therefore, I will use the same logic: Rex Grossman had a perfect passer rating recently. This clearly indicates that Rex Grossman is a premiere quarterback in the NFL. Don't tell me that Rex is a bad quarterback because every other game he has played indicates otherwise. Clearly, CLEARLY, this freak occurrence is an accurate representation of Rex Grossman's otherworldly talent and undeniable ability to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. See what I did there?

*I do want to make this clear. I am in no way attempting to bash Devrin Young. I am simply making a logical argument as to who should get the bulk of the carries.*

Also, just a suggestion, if you are going to attack my argument, attack it properly. I am talking about removing nonrecurring statistics. You are talking about removing something that has become the norm. The two are not the same, at all.

Have a nice day
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We are comparing young to the other running backs on the team. Nobody on the team ran 4-7 yards every play. That's the point nobody did. So you can just as easily used lane or Neal in your nonsense your posting.
 
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thebiglowboski said:
We are comparing young to the other running backs on the team. Nobody on the team ran 4-7 yards every play. That's the point nobody did. So you can just as easily used lane or Neal in your nonsense your posting.
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Of course not. I don't think Adrian Peterson would gain at least 4 yards EVERY carry. However, some backs are more likely to gain 4 yards per attempt than others. Through 2 games the backs have averages of: Lane 6.2, Neal 3.4, and Young 4.4. When we remove the outliers we get a more accurate depiction their typical productivity. Averages without outliers are: Lane 4, Neal 2.9, Young 1.5. I am saying that one play should not validate increasing the workload for a guy who is averaging 1.5 yards per typical attempt.
 
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Young makes people miss...

He may not be or ever be able to become that everydown pound it up the middle RB it seems many around here are looking for.

But that man is a balla, and he is going to take one or two to the house for us in BIG games this year..
 
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As we noted last week, athlete Devrin Young is getting some work with the running backs, as backs coach Robert Gillespie tweeted out in a picture. Young will continue to get work there and will get some receiver and return work as well. Young is a guy who they are looking at how it's best to get him the ball and more involved in the offense if he can stay healthy. -VQ
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
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As we noted last week, athlete Devrin Young is getting some work with the running backs, as backs coach Robert Gillespie tweeted out in a picture. Young will continue to get work there and will get some receiver and return work as well. Young is a guy who they are looking at how it's best to get him the ball and more involved in the offense if he can stay healthy. -VQ
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I believe that to be a good thing.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
+1

As we noted last week, athlete Devrin Young is getting some work with the running backs, as backs coach Robert Gillespie tweeted out in a picture. Young will continue to get work there and will get some receiver and return work as well. Young is a guy who they are looking at how it's best to get him the ball and more involved in the offense if he can stay healthy. -VQ
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Don't like second guessing our coaches much. But I have to say that DY wasn't on the field enough last season. He's slippery and has very good hands. Seems to be clutch when given the chance. It was a mistake not having him on the field more often. I think he and Pig both are a great scatback combo very much like the Florida miniature backs just a few years ago.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Don't like second guessing our coaches much. But I have to say that DY wasn't on the field enough last season. He's slippery and has very good hands. Seems to be clutch when given the chance. It was a mistake not having him on the field more often. I think he and Pig both are a great scatback combo very much like the Florida miniature backs just a few years ago.
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Obviously, the injury sustained by Young really slowed his production last season. If healthy, he's a can be a playmaker for the Vols.
 
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Young is probably one of the fastest players we have, if not the fastest. He's a baller, hope he gets plenty PT this season.
If he where to get some key blocks, he will take one or 2 back for 6, no doubt.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
It was a mistake not having him on the field more often. I think he and Pig both are a great scatback combo very much like the Florida miniature backs just a few years ago.
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Presumably, you mean Demps & Rainey. And if you do mean those two, Young is neither. Not even comparable actually.
 
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Pig may be better than Young. But that UF duo is better than DY & Pig if you ask me. When Demps + Rainey tookover in the backfield Florida was off to the races. Both players scored touchdowns for Florida. Our guys are still working on the whole scoring thing.
 
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