Did he touch home plate really?

[GUNTERSVOL]

I’ve only seen one replay and it looked like the ump cleaned the plate with his foot from where the player got it with his heel.

I started this thread with the hope that somebody had, as sometimes surface, a picture or a clip that would clearly answer the question. I saw nothing on the broadcast that would do that, either way. I know the ump had to make a call on the play and the appeal, but I don't think he actually could see whether or not there was contact from his position. I could see that on the replays. Sometimes I just like to know the WHOLE truth and if the process needs to be humbled with it so be it. Like most fans, my less than objective perception is that MY team does not get half of the 50/50 calls. Had we won the appeal I don't think they could have changed it the other way either. One of those.

Glad this one did not change the outcome of the game. 4-3 or 4-2 seems to be the variables on this one. Still like to FACTUALLY put the controversy to bed. For the record if you do a search on Ole Miss and calls at the plate you will find that an SEC softball game, I think between Bama and Ole Miss, they took a run off the board for Bama in a similar situation, so it does matter and there is precedent. No neighborhood plays for any bases.

 

[LordVOLdemort]

Those umpires were not going to take a run off the board in front of that run starved home crowd. They would have been chased down and hung.

It is Mississippi after all

 

[Iam4utalways]

I started this thread with the hope that somebody had, as sometimes surface, a picture or a clip that would clearly answer the question. I saw nothing on the broadcast that would do that, either way. I know the ump had to make a call on the play and the appeal, but I don't think he actually could see whether or not there was contact from his position. I could see that on the replays. Sometimes I just like to know the WHOLE truth and if the process needs to be humbled with it so be it. Like most fans, my less than objective perception is that MY team does not get half of the 50/50 calls. Had we won the appeal I don't think they could have changed it the other way either. One of those.

Glad this one did not change the outcome of the game. 4-3 or 4-2 seems to be the variables on this one. Still like to FACTUALLY put the controversy to bed. For the record if you do a search on Ole Miss and calls at the plate you will find that an SEC softball game, I think between Bama and Ole Miss, they took a run off the board for Bama in a similar situation, so it does matter and there is precedent. No neighborhood plays for any bases.

From the replay I saw, the ump was paying close attention and at least rubbed his foot over the part of the plate that their player would have gotten with his heel, if in fact he got it with his heel. From what I could see, their player only got the some of the black if any at all, but the ump was paying attention and either way knew what he was doing when he made the call. The ump did help our guys out on the appeal process by telling them they should wait for the next batter to come up, so if the plate was missed their guy, I guess could have just went back out there touched up and then it wouldn’t have mattered either way if he had missed it originally.

There weren’t many cameras there, it seems they could set up some cameras on each base and the plate for reviews.

 

[GRRN7MAXIMS]

I was sitting right above our dougout down the third baseline and he did not step on the white part of the plate. I was watching close to make sure he did.

So does the batter get called out but the two runners that crossed the plate score on this play?

 

[youcancallmeAl]

It’s true.They prefer Ole Miss and get offended when referred to as Mississippi.

i guess they're stranger than I thought. It'd be as if we preferred to be called Ole Tenn and disliked being called Tennesses. Very strange.

 

[youcancallmeAl]

So does the batter get called out but the two runners that crossed the plate score on this play?

Yes, if they touched all the bases, too.

 

[Big Al Orange]

So does the batter get called out but the two runners that crossed the plate score on this play?

That would be my guess.

 

[OlRockyTop]

You are exactly right because he did not touch it. I’m not just being a homer I was right there with a perfect view and he stepped over it. I’d put my hand on the Bible and say the same thing.

Home plate umpire was staring at the plate in a much better position than you.

 

[Volsbaseballfan]

I think Russell and TV was trying to get CS a little Looser. CS got several warmup pitches in the Review. But seemed to not really matter. I honestly think CS has some really good stuff but not sure he is suited to come in behind Burns, Dolly or Beam.. I think teams see him come in and they immediately gain confidence, that's not a mark against CS but a token to the 3 starters. It appears , as an outsider looking in that a Lefty behind thee is going to be the ticket... When you look at it in that regard, It makes the Bull pens job harder, Teams will play to just try to hang around against these starters, honestly that may be the only way to beat this team. And Tidwell and Havy may be the 2 arms needed to change that...I like the fact we have Kirby, Mabry,Evans and Walsh to give these teams a different look..... Ben Joyce plays a major role as well in coming months...CS fits better in right now behind the lefty's IMO.........Teams will be swinging the bats against those Lefty's and that actually plays in to Tennessee's favor IMO. All of them Throw great off speed stuff. Let the Lefty's have the 7TH and 8TH and come back with a RHP in the 9TH of even....Just super proud to be a Vol Fan!!!

 

[cardvolfan]

I was sitting right above our dougout down the third baseline and he did not step on the white part of the plate. I was watching close to make sure he did.

You were sitting “down the third base line” and you could see whether the back of his foot came down on the outside portion of the plate away from you? Even the cameras couldn’t catch that.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Home plate umpire was staring at the plate in a much better position than you.

Nobody directly in front of the runner was in a good position to see if he touched the plate with his heel. That may be where the ump manual says they should position themselves with a homerun trot, but if he had never left his position at the time of the pitch he would have been in the best spot to make the call. Unless he had xray vision he was in a bad spot to see if the runner touched the black or the white. From what I saw it is real possible that the back of his shoe or even his cleats contacted the black, not the plate. We will never know if somebody does not come up with better views than they showed on TV, and if UM fans were capturing the trot and score I bet they will not share the evidence if it exists.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Nobody directly in front of the runner was in a good position to see if he touched the plate with his heel. That may be where the ump manual says they should position themselves with a homerun trot, but if he had never left his position at the time of the pitch he would have been in the best spot to make the call. Unless he had xray vision he was in a bad spot to see if the runner touched the black or the white. From what I saw it is real possible that the back of his shoe or even his cleats contacted the black, not the plate. We will never know if somebody does not come up with better views than they showed on TV, and if UM fans were capturing the trot and score I bet they will not share the evidence if it exists.

I’m not sure what he saw but he was in front of the plate looking directly at the plate as their player either barely got it with his heel or didn’t. Then wiped the plate off with his foot where either their player did or didn’t get the plate.

I’m sure none of the Mississippi fans are giving this another thought after the way they got handled over the weekend.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I’m not sure what he saw but he was in front of the plate looking directly at the plate as their player either barely got it with his heel or didn’t. Then wiped the plate off with his foot where either their player did or didn’t get the plate.

I’m sure none of the Mississippi fans are giving this another thought after the way they got handled over the weekend.

I will back up and give the ump a better grade on his positioning for the call. Here are an before and after shot to show how close it was. These are the best shots out there I think. Did he ever touch the white or was the back of the shoe on the black? Only the shadow knows.

 

[OlRockyTop]

I will back up and give the ump a better grade on his positioning for the call. Here are an before and after shot to show how close it was. These are the best shots out there I think. Did he ever touch the white or was the back of the shoe on the black? Only the shadow knows.

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Black part counts anyways. Ump was in great position to call it.

 

[OlRockyTop]

You were sitting “down the third base line” and you could see whether the back of his foot came down on the outside portion of the plate away from you? Even the cameras couldn’t catch that.

Seriously. Dude made it sound he had a better view on it than the home plate umpire

 

[OldTimer]

I will back up and give the ump a better grade on his positioning for the call. Here are an before and after shot to show how close it was. These are the best shots out there I think. Did he ever touch the white or was the back of the shoe on the black? Only the shadow knows.

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reminds me of the Brady Bunch episode where Greg takes a photo and happens to get a shot of the receiver catching the ball with his foot in bounds.....if you know you know.

 

[VFFL@THE BEACH]

1. Good to see the players out of the way. No reason to crowd the plate.

2. Not sure the umpire was in the best position but seemed to be focused on the feet. Wiping dirt away could have been from the swing or covering up the fact that he didn't see it because he was daydreaming. Yes, officials do such things.

3. I am tired of baseball and other sports getting calls wrong twice, once in the action and again on replay.

4. Ths indisputable evidence line is a catch phrase for let's not rule against the guy on the field. Some of this is taking up for their boys. Other issue is probably trying to discourage a replay on every play a team just dosen't like. Just get it right.

5. No reason for ole piss to be all that excited. They still lost the series and down a run. Similiar to a defense celebrating a sack, still loosing by 3tds.

6. Step on the damn plate. No, its not being nit picky and yes its part of the game. Tennessee guys can be cocky about it and stomp but there is no replay or doubt.

7. Step on the damn plate. This shouldn't need to be reviewed and if I had to review then I would want better evidence he touched the plate. The burden is on the batter, I don't care what the call is on the field. No matter the team.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Black part counts anyways. Ump was in great position to call it.

Why do you think the black is part of the plate and not just a contrast tool? Here are two more google searches that says otherwise.

Home plate consists solely of the white rubber part, 17″ wide. Some plates physically consist only of the white part, but most are reinforced by a thick black rubber frame. The frame is not …

Why is the Black part of the plate called home plate?
The black by the definition of “Home Plate” is not a part of the Plate.

SO........ "On the black" strikes are strikes as long as they also are over any part of the white part of the 17" plate. The black is a border OF the plate. The ball is about 6x the width of the typical black borders whose dimensions are never defined.

Kind of an open area when you google homeplate, but I have yet to see any direct comment that says the black is officially part of homeplate to offset these others that specifically say it is not.