Did The Feds just admit to having a gun registry?

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Feds Illegally Maintain Registry Of Firearm Owners; Media Fails To Report It

In plain English, unless a person is prohibited from owning a firearm, their information cannot be retained. However, a recent Washington Post article parroted the Government Accounting Office’s numbers related to firearms purchases:

“Between 2004 and 2014, suspected terrorists attempted to purchase guns from American dealers at least 2,233 times. And in 2,043 of those cases — 91 percent of the time — they succeeded.”

Upon first reading, many Americans might be glad the authorities are keeping an eye on those potential terrorists in our midst. Of course, the facts are a little different. The term “suspected terrorists” in this case means somebody on the combined terrorist watch-list. These are people that may have never been convicted or even charged with a crime. The list has expanded so much that there are around 700,000 names on the list. They include a number of journalists, former Department of Justice ethics adviser Jesselyn Radack, Nelson Mandela, and the list of non-terrorists and false positives goes on forever. Known nonviolent activists have been added to the list because there is no real justification required to be placed on it, only a “reasonable suspicion.”

Even more disturbing is that to make the matches, the government must retain records on everyone, or at least have every purchase in a supposedly confidential system scanned. That data is being shared within the government, contrary to federal law. When the FBI released its figures, it went as far as saying that 2,000 known or suspected terrorists bought a pistol, sports rifle, or assault weapon. This means they are collecting information about the types of purchases as well. Just matching a name to a list would not be enough to come up with accurate data. This means the NICS program, which was promised to be free from other agencies, is sharing personal data such as name, date of birth, address, and social security number.

To be very clear, the NICS system is retaining records of legal purchases, it is sharing that information with other agencies, it is retaining and sharing information containing enough detail to match the purchaser to a government created list, and now the US government is publicizing the fact that it is doing this even though it is a violation of federal law.
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I have always assumed that the government has a record of every firearm that I have purchased from a FFL .
 
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1972 Grad said:
I have always assumed that the government has a record of every firearm that I have purchased from a FFL .
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Of course they do. That way the Muslims know which house to stay away from when they take over our country.
 
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The next list of those prohibited from purchasing guns will come after the single payor health plan is implemented. Anyone ever diagnosed with depression or taking any type of meds used to treat depression will be added to the no fly list..... Hear me now.... Listen to me later
 
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Carl Pickens said:
The next list of those prohibited from purchasing guns will come after the single payor health plan is implemented. Anyone ever diagnosed with depression or taking any type of meds used to treat depression will be added to the no fly list..... Hear me now.... Listen to me later
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You're absolutely correct. Maybe not the no fly list, but the mental health list.
 
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hog88 said:
They're not supposed to.
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But they do it anyway. I'm pretty sure there was a gun store in San Diego that also manufactured some component for AR-15's that claimed the ATF was snooping around and tried making copies of their fire arms sales. Basically, the ATF was attempting to break the law and force this gun shop to comply. If I remember later, I'll try to find an article about it.
 
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So If you legally purchase a gun and fill out the federal paperwork you didnt think there was a database? Did you know that everyone born in the US is assigned a number for identification?
 
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tim said:
So If you legally purchase a gun and fill out the federal paperwork you didnt think there was a database? Did you know that everyone born in the US is assigned a number for identification?
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The paperwork stays at the dealer until they go out of business, the instant check system is supposed to be scrubbed something like every 30 days. So it's illegal for the government to maintain any type of registry.
 
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Gramps said:
So what, nothing will have but investigations by every committee in Congress's then swept under the rug
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I still have hope that someday things will change. Probably a childish pipe dream.
 
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hog88 said:
The paperwork stays at the dealer until they go out of business, the instant check system is supposed to be scrubbed something like every 30 days. So it's illegal for the government to maintain any type of registry.
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If a gun purchase can be tracked its something that is searchable. Databases scare people.
 
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tim said:
So If you legally purchase a gun and fill out the federal paperwork you didnt think there was a database? Did you know that everyone born in the US is assigned a number for identification?
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Hold on Tim... you know good and damn well that they are not supposed to keep that information, though.

C'mon Mr. Law and Order. You're gonna have to do better than that to explain why the govt is allowed to violate this law under our noses, yet if we go a few miles over , you cops will break you necks to fill that end of the month quota... which you're not supposed to have, either. But we know cops have quotas and numbers they are supposed to hit also?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hold on Tim... you know good and damn well that they are not supposed to keep that information, though.

C'mon Mr. Law and Order. You're gonna have to do better than that to explain why the govt is allowed to violate this law under our noses, yet if we go a few miles over , you cops will break you necks to fill that end of the month quota... which you're not supposed to have, either. But we know cops have quotas and numbers they are supposed to hit also?
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The feds dont keep it. But its easily accessible to them. The news knew that Farrok's guns were a straw purchase within hours.
 
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tim said:
The feds dont keep it. But its easily accessible to them. The news knew that Farrok's guns were a straw purchase within hours.
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So how can an American protect his identity and purchase history without the cops or MSNBC knowing about it?

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hog88 said:
I still have hope that someday things will change. Probably a childish pipe dream.
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Nothing will change until something is done about the money, Lobbyist, campaign finance reform, etc.
 
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tim said:
If a gun purchase can be tracked its something that is searchable. Databases scare people.
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Not supposed to be electronically kept, the records sent to WV when a dealer goes out of business are only supposed to be kept on microfilm.

You aren't advocating or excusing the government violate the law are you?
 
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