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#26
another problem with education is the fact that politicians that make the decisons on things yet they never really step in a classroom, same with school boards, i hate with our school board, they dont know crap about whats goin on...
 
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droski said:
true. but other states generally spend over $10K per student and considering the cost of living in most states is much lower that is still enough money to provide quality public education.
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A purely anecdotal comment:

I have a girlfriend, lives in Tustin. Every time I go out for a visit, I am overwhelmed with how well mantinaed eveything is. The streets are borad and uncrowded, the parks pristine and inviting.

I realize I'm seing the OC, but based only on that, you'd have a hard time convincing people that California taxes are too high.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
wel it depends on what you got, what your special education ratio is, what kind of services you have to provide for them etc, in a lot of rural areas where special education rates are high (alabama) 10k per student isnt enough,
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only because they are blowing 50% of the budget on studies and administrators. edit: i worked at a special needs school in los angeles and the waste was unbelievable. that and they had like one teacher for 5 students (half the teachers spend the day watching tv).

lawgator1 said:
A purely anecdotal comment:

I have a girlfriend, lives in Tustin. Every time I go out for a visit, I am overwhelmed with how well mantinaed eveything is. The streets are borad and uncrowded, the parks pristine and inviting.

I realize I'm seing the OC, but based only on that, you'd have a hard time convincing people that California taxes are too high.
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keeping the parks and streets clean are a city issue. the overwelming majority of takes i pay are to the state.
 
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droski said:
only because they are blowing 50% of the budget on studies and administrators.



keeping the parks and streets clean are a city issue. the overwelming majority of takes i pay are to the state.
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Its insanely nice out there in Irvine/OC area. Seal Beach, Huntingon Beach, Dana Point. I can see why everyone wants to live out there.
 
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droski said:
only because they are blowing 50% of the budget on studies and administrators. edit: i worked at a special needs school in los angeles and the waste was unbelievable. that and they had like one teacher for 5 students (half the teachers spend the day watching tv).


thats crazy, we have teachers here that are stretched then i know a few sped caseworkers that have a caseload of 30 at least, where as 10-15 is normal
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#32
once again the problem is politicans run the system, and in a good bit of schools are on the buddy buddy system which is how some keep their jobs which bothers me. I still say that the solutions is corporate sponsership with corporate oversight, money would be more readily available, there would be more accountability for perfomance and monitoring,
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
thats crazy, we have teachers here that are stretched then i know a few sped caseworkers that have a caseload of 30 at least, where as 10-15 is normal
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in california if you have enough signatures you can put anything on the ballott. over the past 10 years the taxpayers have voted for billions in extra education spending. if only they knew how ot use the money.
 
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droski said:
in california if you have enough signatures you can put anything on the ballott. over the past 10 years the taxpayers have voted for billions in extra education spending. if only they knew how ot use the money.
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yah, putting money in isnt a bad idea IF you know how to spend it, if you dont then well its gonna fail
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
once again the problem is politicans run the system, and in a good bit of schools are on the buddy buddy system which is how some keep their jobs which bothers me. I still say that the solutions is corporate sponsership with corporate oversight, money would be more readily available, there would be more accountability for perfomance and monitoring,
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a voucher program solves a lot of problems. the schools who can't maintain a strong education at a fair cost will go out of business.
 
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droski said:
a voucher program solves a lot of problems. the schools who can't maintain a strong education at a fair cost will go out of business.
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however that can cause a snowball effect, the voucher takes money out of that school, continious pulling of funds for the vouchers, then the school is hosed. proper management should be imposed in the school, for allocation of funds etc etc
 
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#38
two ways to fix the education system:

1- break the power of the teachers' unions, or failing that, prevent them from using dues money for political action. How many millions did the NEA and AFT waste on shilling for Obama last year?

2- stop mainstreaming developmentally disabled kids.

and as a bonus:

3- stop educating the children of illegal immigrants
 
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MG1968 said:
two ways to fix the education system:

1- break the power of the teachers' unions, or failing that, prevent them from using dues money for political action. How many millions did the NEA and AFT waste on shilling for Obama last year?
2- stop mainstreaming developmentally disabled kids.

and as a bonus:

3- stop educating the children of illegal immigrants
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its illegal to unionize in GA, i hate the NEA because of the polictical standpoint, i am, however in PAGE, the Professional Association of Georgia Educators, but thats mainly for the liability insurance
 
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#40
I have a cousin and a couple of acquaintances that are teachers. My mother was also one, so I'm not criticizing teachers in the least.


With that said, teaching is a thankless and far underpaid job. Until teachers are paid their dues, we'll get (statistically) poor teachers. If they're not paid, and they're a good teacher, they'll be prone to apathy.

There are dedicated teachers who get paid little. That, to me, is a travesty. In order to expect high quality students, they must be taught well, not told to open their books and read for 2/3 of the class because their teacher doesn't care. To me, that is the root of the problem, but not even close to the extent of it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Every time I've been out there, jorts weather during the day, wear a light sweater for an Angels game at night. And that's June or August. Remarkable.
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FYP!

I had to do it, I waited forever thinking surely someone else would.
 
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#42
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lawgator1 said:
I agree with you. My overall sentiment is that if we want our kids to be tauight by people who are excited about the subject matter they are teaching, it is going to cost a few bucks.
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Tenure doesn't exactly encourage teachers to perform at a high level.
 
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