Die on the Chick-Fil-A Hill?

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Bigun said:
If there is no standard of what is right and wrong ever and truths change over time, then are you saying at some point in the future that gay marriage could be wrong?
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I hope we don't go backwards but you never know. Keep your fingers crossed!

The goal should be to get govt out of it altogether. Then you'll be free to discriminate against gays and handle snakes in peace
 
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utvolpj said:
I hope we don't go backwards but you never know. Keep your fingers crossed!

The goal should be to get govt out of it altogether. Then you'll be free to discriminate against gays and handle snakes in peace
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Why do you assume I would discriminate? Are you saying that because I disagree with their lifestyle choice that I am wrong? Isn't that being judgmental on your part?
 
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Bigun said:
Why do you assume I would discriminate? Are you saying that because I disagree with their lifestyle choice that I am wrong? Isn't that being judgmental on your part?
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Judgemental is calling it a choice.

But I have no issue judging your choice. Not sure I've ever claimed otherwise
 
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Bigun said:
Why do you assume I would discriminate? Are you saying that because I disagree with their lifestyle choice that I am wrong? Isn't that being judgmental on your part?
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Saying “I’m ok with these people getting married, but not these people” literally IS discriminating
 
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utvolpj said:
Judgemental is calling it a choice.

But I have no issue judging your choice. Not sure I've ever claimed otherwise
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It is a choice, 100% a choice. Just because I have a choice doesn't mean if I do it, that it is the right one.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Saying “I’m ok with these people getting married, but not these people” literally IS discriminating
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I disagree with their lifestyle choice, how is that discriminating? I wouldn't discriminate against them if they applied for a job with me or applied for housing. Same goes for people that cheat on their spouses. I disagree with their choice but don't want them stoned.....like some of the very people the left views as untouchable in the religious world.
 
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golfballs said:
Of course. They won’t be satisfied until they’re contributing to planned parenthood and hosting transgender story times at all their restaurants. What a clown world we live in where people get triggered by a chicken restaurant.
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They will never be satisfied. To be satisfied means they would be out of a job. They must strive to be offended for as long as it takes to make a living in this bigoted hellhole.
 
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utvolpj said:
That "traditional marriage" excuse has been used for a long time with many changes in the definition. Just because it's tradition doesn't mean it's right.
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Simple question for you....

If the law of man leads you to sin, who should you follow? God’s law or man’s law?

If man, where do your morals come from?

Also, define right. What’s right for you is not right for everyone else.

God tells us His Word is sharper than any two-edged sword, is unchanging and will endure for eternity. I guess this is the point where you cop out and say, “but I’m not a Christian so it doesn’t apply to me.” Lulz.

If you’re like luther, and your crutch happens to be that you’ll capitulate to whatever society deems is right for you (I don’t think you are), then you don’t deserve the freedoms you have been afforded.

All people deserve love and compassion, but it doesn’t mean the truth can’t be shared with love, even at the expense of revealing another’s transgressions. It is a disservice to God to do otherwise. We are commanded to fulfill the Great Commission, which means we should be disciples. How do you disciple to others without witnessing to them about Jesus and the price He paid for our iniquities? You don’t. It’s impossible.

ETA:

@Orange_Crush has beat you up over moral authority before, @rjd970, so you can revisit that. I’m not going to do the shuffle with you. The difference between you and I is simple, my moral code is not of man’s descent and does not need circular self-referendums (IOW, your morals are a moving target that adhere to your agenda at any given time—i.e. not consistent). Human suffering does not encompass the whole of morality. Some are gluttons for punishment and maybe even enjoy the suffering they endure (re: the beatings you’ve taken over this topic), does that mean external moral canons were not broken? And ‘round and ‘round we go.....
 
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Bigun said:
It is a choice, 100% a choice. Just because I have a choice doesn't mean if I do it, that it is the right one.
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So you just happened to make the right choice? Pretty convenient wouldn't you say?
 
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Girth Brooks said:
Simple question for you....

If the law of man leads you to sin, who should you follow? God’s law or man’s law?

If man, where do your morals come from?

Also, define right. What’s right for you is not right for everyone else.

God tells us His Word is sharper than any two-edged sword, is unchanging and will endure for eternity. I guess this is the point where you cop out and say, “but I’m not a Christian so it doesn’t apply to me.” Lulz.

If you’re like luther, and your crutch happens to be that you’ll capitulate to whatever society deems is right for you (I don’t think you are), then you don’t deserve the freedoms you have been afforded.

All people deserve love and compassion, but it doesn’t mean the truth can’t be shared with love, even at the expense of revealing another’s transgressions. It is a disservice to God to do otherwise. We are commanded to fulfill the Great Commission, which means we should be disciples. How do you disciple to others without witnessing to them about Jesus and the price He paid for our iniquities? You don’t. It’s impossible.
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<--- bible thread
 
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utvolpj said:
I hope we don't go backwards but you never know. Keep your fingers crossed!

The goal should be to get govt out of it altogether. Then you'll be free to discriminate against gays and handle snakes in peace
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So, you equate people not on board with gay marriage with snake handlers? No difference?
 
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utvolpj said:
<--- bible thread
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Nope, I asked you here, and you’re the one lamenting right/wrong/traditional. Answer it.

Your mod status doesn’t mean I have to surrender to your qualms, especially when it is in context to the conversation at hand. Either answer it or roll on down the river. No need for a reply if you’re not going to answer what I posed.
 
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utvolpj said:
So you just happened to make the right choice? Pretty convenient wouldn't you say?
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Does someone who makes the choice to not run out on their family, not cheat on their spouse, etc make the convenient right choice as well? If you view things through a biblical lens of who has the ultimate authority in our lives, our choices take a different meaning other than to just satisfy whatever I want to do.
 
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Bigun said:
Does someone who makes the choice to not run out on their family, not cheat on their spouse, etc make the convenient right choice as well? If you view things through a biblical lens of who has the ultimate authority in our lives, our choices take a different meaning other than to just satisfy whatever I want to do.
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It's sexuality that's not a choice. Running out on your family is a choice. Your biblical lens is irrelevant when discussing actual law
 
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Girth Brooks said:
Nope, I asked you here, and you’re the one lamenting right/wrong/traditional. Answer it.

Your mod status doesn’t mean I have to surrender to your qualms, especially when it is in context to the conversation at hand. Either answer it or roll on down the river. No need for a reply if you’re not going to answer what I posed.
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My use of traditional was not discussing the bible. I have no desire to discuss the bible which is why I pointed you to the correct thread. It may be this way by now --->

If you choose to use your text to justify discriminatory policies then best of luck to you. You're wrong but not alone
 
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Girth Brooks said:
Simple question for you....

If the law of man leads you to sin, who should you follow? God’s law or man’s law?
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Define "sin". Is it biblical?

Girth Brooks said:
If man, where do your morals come from?

Also, define right. What’s right for you is not right for everyone else.
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This is a loaded question. Setting aside where morals come from or if they are objective, you seem to be arguing that yours are right? What’s right for you is not right for everyone else applies to you as well.

There is a very good argument for defining morality in the context of human suffering. Whatever decreases human suffering is good, whatever increases it is bad. There is the standard. In this case, anything that is victimless (blasphemy, homosexuality, working on the sabbath, and any other imaginary crime outlined in the bible) are not wrong at all.

Not asking you to agree, only to see that a non-religious person can still be a moral person and not need to point to a God to do so.

It's amazing there was no way for us to know murder was wrong until the bible said so.

Girth Brooks said:
God tells us His Word is sharper than any two-edged sword, is unchanging and will endure for eternity. I guess this is the point where you cop out and say, “but I’m not a Christian so it doesn’t apply to me.” Lulz.

If you’re like luther, and your crutch happens to be that you’ll capitulate to whatever society deems is right for you (I don’t think you are), then you don’t deserve the freedoms you have been afforded.

All people deserve love and compassion, but it doesn’t mean the truth can’t be shared with love, even at the expense of revealing another’s transgressions. It is a disservice to God to do otherwise. We are commanded to fulfill the Great Commission, which means we should be disciples. How do you disciple to others without witnessing to them about Jesus and the price He paid for our iniquities? You don’t. It’s impossible.
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The rest of this is verbose biblical rambling that can and should be discussed in the Bible thread.
 
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utvolpj said:
It's sexuality that's not a choice. Running out on your family is a choice. Your biblical lens is irrelevant when discussing actual law
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Who is to say that running out on our family or cheating on your spouse is a choice and if so, a wrong choice?
 
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Bigun said:
Who is to say that running out on our family or cheating on your spouse is a choice and if so, a wrong choice?
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Anyone with a brain.

Are your questions going to continue to get diumber or have we reached the bottom?
 
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