Discussion after church today with other UT fans.

[rwemyss]

Originally posted by Vols4life@Nov 7, 2004 11:06 PM
I thought from the pre-season we would win the SECE! All I did was look at the team last year and looked at what we had coming back! We looked ok everywhere on the field except in the secondary where we are coming around the corner now!

And CJ Leak and Rick looked good in the Spring so I figured we would be ok in the Fall not to mention we have the best and deepest WR's in the country!!

I'm sorry, but I've never thought CJ looked good... he played poor in his series against UGA 2 years ago, and he looked poor in the two orange-white games I saw him in... of course, I didn't think Rick looked any good until Sat. Take away a few sacks, and a TERRIBLE pick, and he looked great. Add it all up and he looked ok. He may be ready for the final strech against the bottom-feeders.

 

[AlabamaVolunteer]

Originally posted by TNVOLS1@Nov 7, 2004 10:23 PM
Alabama wannabe volunteer you don't like what I said then go ahead and bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is just fine. But the things I said are facts! unlike the putrid crap that you just typed about what I said and I guess you need to learn to READ since nowhere did I say fire ANYONE. The tackling may be bad but here is another FACT BUCKO CRIMSONBOY - the defense gave UP 10 points and that is the bottom line. Now where in your deluded upbring did I say anything about the QB's. As far as I'm concerned from now on your pst will be ignored by me because obviously you know nothing about the game of football.

I think your "Facts" are your opinions. Just like what I said was mine. All the bammers want to do is make excuses. I know I live in Tuscaloosa brother. I have a Tennessee tire cover on the back of my jeep, Tag on the front, and at least two flags flying at all times. And you will never, ever see me without something bearing the University of Tennessee colors on me. As far as my allegence, anyone in this town will tell you I bleed ORANGE. My point was this, no matter who is in there, no matter how much watching that game Saturday hurt us as FANS, these guys still need our support. Clausen needs it more than Ainge, Coach Fulmer needs it as much as Coach Sanders. I apologize for getting off subject and ranting on things you didn't say. But It was a long trip home after a game where we lose Ainge and Tinsley. Any TRUE FAN would be upset.

 

[LadyinOrange]

Boys, boys. Play nice, now.

 

[milohimself]

Personally, I think a quarterback's primary goal should be to keep the ball out of the hands of the other team. Even if you throw incomplete passes, it's okay. There's another shot. If you can't do that, don't bother. I know that Rick was being hugely pressured, but he should have known better than to throw when the defense is closing on you like that. Failing to do that shows weakness as a quarterback.

 

[rwemyss]

Originally posted by milohimself@Nov 8, 2004 2:42 AM
Personally, I think a quarterback's primary goal should be to keep the ball out of the hands of the other team. Even if you throw incomplete passes, it's okay. There's another shot. If you can't do that, don't bother. I know that Rick was being hugely pressured, but he should have known better than to throw when the defense is closing on you like that. Failing to do that shows weakness as a quarterback.

Like OMG said in his maxims post this week "no less than three hands on his trowing arm." It was a sad mistake, but we'll move on.

 

[volmanjr]

our Dfense kicked ass all day long except 4 one drive , Clausen looked good considering, and our Oline must have been at home phoning it in h34r:

 

[Tnvolfan68]

i am getting so tired of fly by night so called vol fans.. always talking about this woefull offense and terrible Defense

TN total offense 327 yards with a freshman in the first half and a third stinger in the Second

Terrible defense ND 216 Total yards And had to punt 10 times ND had one drive that went for 10plays
of 13 total drives 11 were under 5 plays
So if you want to complain know what you are complaining about.

 

[Vol67]

OK I'll complain and quickly too, and before you flap yours you need to sit and watch an O-Line mail it in because they stunk. If you can sit there and tell me ND's D-line is better than Bama's, UGA's, Auburn's and South Carolina then I can say you've lost your mind or need a refresher course in football. Ut's O-Line was owned by ND and UT's offensive staff was owned by ND's defensive staff. The RB's ran like they didn't want to be hit and the WR's have reverted to 2002, in fact the whole offense reverted to 2002. You can cry injuries all you want but the fact is the offense didn't show up. After the 1st Qtr the defense stepped up in a big way allowing only 10 points and they deserved the win. As for Clausen he did ok but both his coach, O-line and WR's failed him.
I am not a fly by night fan, I have followed and rooted for UT in all sports since 1967 and will continue to do so and when i see a problem I will NOT bury my head in the sand and say as so many do oh well nothing wrong.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by TNVOLS1@Nov 7, 2004 9:49 PM
Fact 1 : ND is a 2nd tier team that UT shouldn't have lost to.

See your quoted facts 5 and 6. If you think the Vols should not have lost to Notre Dame, then why do you think that they will lose to either Vandy or Kentucky? Why did you think the game was going to be hard fought if the opponent, "ND is a 2nd tier team that UT shouldn't have lost to"?

Don't let emotion get to you. Notre Dame has lost some close games to BYU (5-4)and (#21) Boston College (6-2) and were destroyed by Purdue (5-4). However, they did beat (#9) Michigan and now (#15) Tennessee. Sometimes teams are defined by just a handful of plays. Tennessee could very easily be 4-5 right now..... Just like Notre Dame could easily be 8-1.

Fact 2 : The O-Line plain SUX.

A bit harsh considering the injuries. They played fairly well several weeks ago before the rash of injuries.

Fact 3 : with a win Yesterday UT would still have had an outside shot at the NCG.

I agree with you on this point. I'll go further, and based upon the upcoming games for the higher ranked teams... the Vols had a very good shot, not just an outside one, at the NCG.

Fact 4 : Play calling has gotten progressively worse.

Same plays that worked in the 7 victories. The biggest difference is the competition has been better over the course of the last 6 weeks.

Fact 5 : Neither the Vandy nor the Kentucky game are sure Wins in fact look for UT to lose 1.

They better lose to Vandy for your prediction to come true, because I don't think Kentucky could beat one of the intramural teams at UT. I don't think Vanderbilt can hang for 4 quarters either... but they are much better than their record and will go all out to try and beat Tennessee.

Fact 6 : While the ND game was going to be hard fought and close Fulmer and his offensive staff was owned by ND's D coordinator.

Notre Dame has a good defense. They played well up front... putting pressure on with only 3 linemen at some points. However, I don't think they 'owned' Tennessee's offense. I don't think Notre Dame's defense had anything to do with Houston tripping over his own feet enroute to a would be touchdown in the 1st quarter. I don't think the ND defense had anything to do with Fayton's 4 dropped passes. That fact that Cedric Houston still had 143 yards of total offense and Gerald Riggs chipped in with 43 yards of total offense showed me that even with the offensive line problems... the running backs were still doing their jobs. Ainge and Clausen combined for 269 yards passing. However, the most glaring plays included the inability to get a first down on 3 occasions in short yardage situations. In most cases, lack of execution was the culprit. Maybe too many substitutions (due to injuries) contributed to the mistakes?


I don't read facts.... only 6 opinions?

 

[Vol67]

if these injuries are that bad then they should have been benched the 2nd stringers started!
Yes UT's Offensive staff was OWNED by ND's Defensive staff, no way a 3 man rush puts that much pressure on the QB and yes they are a 2nd rate team but then again UT has a 2nd rate offensive staff and that is FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by TNVOLS1@Nov 8, 2004 9:45 PM
if these injuries are that bad then they should have been benched the 2nd stringers started!
Yes UT's Offensive staff was OWNED by ND's Defensive staff, no way a 3 man rush puts that much pressure on the QB and yes they are a 2nd rate team but then again UT has a 2nd rate offensive staff and that is FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Starting lineup at the beginning of the season....
LT Michael Munoz
LG Rob Smith
C Jason Respert
RG Cody Douglas
RT Arron Sears

Starting lineup against Notre Dame...
LT Michael Munoz
LG Rob Smith
C Chuck Prugh
RG Cody Douglas
RT Arron Sears

Note the 2nd team Center? Yes, the one that directs the line regarding alignments, etc? The same one that had 4 bad snaps? Maybe the Vols could have put a bunch more reserves in and had the offensive production similar to Notre Dame's 216 total yards?

I think the Vols offensive staff has done a great job this season with a freshman starting at quarterback. Hopefully, the offense will be as productive the rest of the season with a 3rd string quarterback as they were before Ainge's injury? The Vols have overachieved this season and I credit the coaching staff for the 7-2 record. There has never been and never will be a team that goes undefeated every single season. That is what makes Fulmers 80% winning percentage so impressive.

The Vols still average 376.8 yards of total offense per game. The offensive production this season is better than 2003, 2002, and 2000 (Clausen's freshman season)... and the Vols still have Vanderbilt and Kentucky to play which usually pads the stats. Georgia's total offensive production jumps up 36 ypg when their games against Vanderbilt (527) and Kentucky (589) are added in. If the Vols get a similar push, the offensive production could end up being over 400 yards-per-game. That would total more than the 1998 season. Matter of fact, this team with its quarterback situation this season, could in fact surpass every Tennessee team in total offensive yards per game since 1998. It will be very difficult to surpass the offensive production during Peyton Manning's senior season in 1997 (483 ypg) which is the highest by any Tennessee team ever.

FYI - Florida currently leads the SEC in total offense but has a 5-4 record.

 

[GAVol]

Originally posted by allvol@Nov 9, 2004 9:09 AM
FYI - Florida currently leads the SEC in total offense but has a 5-4 record.

No more comment needed.