Do EEs count towards the 28 we can sign on NSD?

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Vol_in_Indiana

Vol_in_Indiana

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I really hope not, it would be great to get as many EEs if they don't count towards the 28, even if they do it is an advantage for both Tennesse and the recruits who are eligible to enroll early and are sure they want to come to Tennessee.
 
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Orangekush423 said:
You've only got a certain number of schollys no matter how/when you use them.
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Not true.

This topic has been posted multiple times. I believe we are able to back count 2-3 schollys so we'd be able to take 30-31 I believe. Sab or LV posted it a few months back. I think Hubbs verified it was 31 that we could take counting all of our EEs.
 
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BTW, I really don't like this rule by the SEC to cap the number of commits. In a situation like ours, where your new staff comes in and we lose 8-10 guys right off the bat due to transfer or booted off the team, why does it matter if we sign 40 players this year? If we have that many schollys available, we should be able to use them.

What if another Marshall disaster happened and everyone on the team died? Would they only let us sign 30 players? I mean, a scholarship #'s should be controlled by the university, not the league.... JMO.

**Also BTW, Ole Miss ruined it for everyone last year when they tried to sign 300 players.
 
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Vol_in_Indiana said:
I really hope not, it would be great to get as many EEs if they don't count towards the 28, even if they do it is an advantage for both Tennesse and the recruits who are eligible to enroll early and are sure they want to come to Tennessee.
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back counters do not count on the 28 letters signed on NSD.

we only have room to back count 2 of the EE's.

That means we can only enroll 27 maximum for the 2010 roster.

we could sign 3 more non-qualifiers because of the 2 back counters but staff MAY not have interest in signing any non-qualifiers.

even at that we would end up having to have about 3-4 more players leave so we make 85 roster number.

I really expect more than 3-4 more to leave program..
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
BTW, I really don't like this rule by the SEC to cap the number of commits. In a situation like ours, where your new staff comes in and we lose 8-10 guys right off the bat due to transfer or booted off the team, why does it matter if we sign 40 players this year? If we have that many schollys available, we should be able to use them.

What if another Marshall disaster happened and everyone on the team died? Would they only let us sign 30 players? I mean, a scholarship #'s should be controlled by the university, not the league.... JMO.

**Also BTW, Ole Miss ruined it for everyone last year when they tried to sign 300 players.
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There is a scholarship limit that restricts teams to bringing in 25 players per year that has been in place for a while. This was done to keep coaches from loading up one class to ensure they had tons of seniors every 4th year and making a run at the national title.

The signing limit imposed by the SEC is just to stop teams from signing tons of non-qualifying players. It's kind of silly but I don't think it's a big hurter. The reason Nutt was signing so many was so he could sign those guys and then route them to JUCO schools where the JUCO coach will 'protect' the players from being recruited by other schools as a thank you to Nutt steering him towards them. It might pay off for him in two years with JUCOs but he can follow that practice without actually signing the guys. It's my understanding they will have to sign another LOI when they graduate JUCO anyway so the fact they 'sign' with Ole Miss doesn't really matter. He would never say this but I also think he did it just to inflate his recruiting class ranking.
 
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LWSVOL said:
back counters do not count on the 28 letters signed on NSD.

we only have room to back count 2 of the EE's.

That means we can only enroll 27 maximum for the 2010 roster.

we could sign 3 more non-qualifiers because of the 2 back counters but staff MAY not have interest in signing any non-qualifiers.

even at that we would end up having to have about 3-4 more players leave so we make 85 roster number.

I really expect more than 3-4 more to leave program..
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LWSVOL,

You are exactly correct on your information as I understand it. We could have any number of EE's, besides the two back counts from last year. Just remember all EE's, including the two back counts, would subtract from the 27 Max. limit.
 
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Smokey 77 said:
LWSVOL,

You are exactly correct on your information as I understand it. We could have any number of EE's, besides the two back counts from last year. Just remember all EE's, except the two back counts, would subtract from the 27 Max. limit.
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I changed it to say "including the two back counts".
 
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Smokey 77 said:
LWSVOL,

You are exactly correct on your information as I understand it. We could have any number of EE's, besides the two back counts from last year. Just remember all EE's, including the two back counts, would subtract from the 27 Max. limit.
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So just like I said...you have a certain number of schollys you can use. (I'm assuming anyone we would sign would be a scholly player of course)so therefore you have to subtract the EE's from the TOTAL# of signed/scholly'ed athletes. So you can't jus go get 15 5* players and then expect to get your 28 on NSD. They are accounted for.
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Smokey 77 said:
LWSVOL,

You are exactly correct on your information as I understand it. We could have any number of EE's, besides the two back counts from last year. Just remember all EE's, including the two back counts, would subtract from the 27 Max. limit.
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I may be misunderstanding what you are saying Smokey. I expect us to get in anywhere from 8-12 early entries. We can back count 2 of those and they are not "countable" on the NSD total BUT everyone else that is an early entry is countable.

The very maximum that we can get into school is 27 including back counters, EE's or those coming in August or anytime before August.
 
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Hens67 said:
who ya got in mind LWS?

vereen? donald? hawkins?
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I could name a dozen or more that could leave but would rather not. there are plenty of candidates of players who have contributed very little this year..
 
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LWSVOL said:
I could name a dozen or more that could leave but would rather not. there are plenty of candidates of players who have contributed very little this year..
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I vote for Lincoln and Cunningham!
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MrBamSeydu said:
Not true.

This topic has been posted multiple times. I believe we are able to back count 2-3 schollys so we'd be able to take 30-31 I believe. Sab or LV posted it a few months back. I think Hubbs verified it was 31 that we could take counting all of our EEs.
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Wrong.

28 is the max any SEC team can sign. Period.

There is no countback provision for the 28 signees as there is for the 25 scholly's.
 
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Not accounting for the max scholarship rule of 85?, how many players could we get in the 2011 class if we have 8-12 EE's this year?
 
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If UT has 27 players come in for the 2010 class with 2 back counting and the other 25 all qualify for the 2010 class, then UT will only be able to sign 25 to scholarships for 2011 and sign 28 for 2011 with 3 being non-qualifiers and not getting in.

Also remember if UT offers 27 scholarships for incoming players for the 2010 class and 25 for the 2011 class that will equal 52 scholarships. Leaving only 33 scholarships to give for the 2012 and 2013 classes combined. That is, if none of the players leave to go pro early.
 
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TideWarrior said:
If UT has 27 players come in for the 2010 class with 2 back counting and the other 25 all qualify for the 2010 class, then UT will only be able to sign 25 to scholarships for 2011 and sign 28 for 2011 with 3 being non-qualifiers and not getting in.

Also remember if UT offers 27 scholarships for incoming players for the 2010 class and 25 for the 2011 class that will equal 52 scholarships. Leaving only 33 scholarships to give for the 2012 and 2013 classes combined. That is, if none of the players leave to go pro early.
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Or leave for other reasons. :hi:
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
We can sign 30.
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Actually no team in the SEC can sign more than 28 players to a NLI. EE, with the exception of JUCO transfer, can not sign a NLI per the NLI rules. As someone posted already a team can only sign 28 and you can not back count the number of players that sign only the number of scholarships assigned for a class up to 25 per class unless it exceeds 85 for all 4 classes.
 
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EE's sign scholarship papers but not NLI, you're right. I'm not seeing where we disagree. I'm saying Tennessee can back count 2 scholarships and will have have a 29 or 30-man class (counting EE, JUCO, and HS). Lamaison was back counted wasn't he?
 
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EE's do not sign LOI's, but do sign scholarship papers. We can only enroll 27 total in school for the 2010 class, that includes any counting back to 2009. If we sign over the 27, those would have to be sign and place or JUCO guys. I don't see this staff signing over 25-27 in this class, or taking any non-qualifiers.
 
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