Do late losses really count more?

[jasonvol18]

I think one of the biggest examples of a late loss affecting the season is Oklahoma State in 2011. Second to last game loss to Iowa State ended up knocking them out of the BCS National Championship game that year. Even with a blowout of Oklahoma at the end of the season, they couldn't pop back into that #2 spot which Alabama was sitting on.

Agreed. And atleast Ok St won the Big 12, Ala didn't even win the West. You can throw the Vols in '01 into the mix too. We had just beaten #1 Florida in the Swamp then had a hangover the next week vs LSU in the championship game. To this day I say that '01 team was better overall than the '98 NC team. There were future NFL players all over the field on that '01 team. We would have been the one team with a chance to have beaten that Miami team. Had we gotten the Ala treatment and not had to play that extra game we would have played Mia. But Flor could also say a late season loss cost them a chance to play for the title.

 

[bamawriter]

They lost after Ala because they actually had to play in their conference championship game, just like Auburn. Wisconsin and Auburn both missed out on the playoffs because they were punished for winning their division. But Ala was rewarded twice for not even winning their own division, much less not having to play an extra game in the SEC Championship. Based on the no weight that conference championship games carry, Auburn, Wisc, Okla and Clemson should have been last yrs 4 teams in the CFP.Those would have been the 4 teams, had they been allowed to be on the same equal playing field Ala has. I guarantee if Ala/Aub roles had been reversed that Ala fans would have gone into hitman mode on the committee. There would have been tree's, buildings and communities in need of a rebuild after the riot it would have caused in Bammer land. I live amongst the Ala fan hypocrisy daily so you know I'm right about that.

You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth (or keyboard, whatever). On the one hand, you say that the conference title games carry no weight because Alabama got in without playing in one. And yet, you are blaming the conference title games for Auburn and Wisconsin not getting in. In truth, had Wisconsin won the Big 10, they'd have been in and Bama would have been out. Auburn was irrelevant because either they or UGA would have been in no matter what; the SECCG was a de facto CFP quarterfinal.

So either the title games carry weight or they don't. They obviously do, or Bama wouldn't have made it in after Wisconsin lost. Keep in mind, Bama didn't get in at the expense of the SEC champ. Bama got in because they were superior to the Big 10 and Pac 12 champs.

 

[jasonvol18]

You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth (or keyboard, whatever). On the one hand, you say that the conference title games carry no weight because Alabama got in without playing in one. And yet, you are blaming the conference title games for Auburn and Wisconsin not getting in. In truth, had Wisconsin won the Big 10, they'd have been in and Bama would have been out. Auburn was irrelevant because either they or UGA would have been in no matter what; the SECCG was a de facto CFP quarterfinal.

So either the title games carry weight or they don't. They obviously do, or Bama wouldn't have made it in after Wisconsin lost. Keep in mind, Bama didn't get in at the expense of the SEC champ. Bama got in because they were superior to the Big 10 and Pac 12 champs.

Who exactly is talking out of both sides of their mouth? Obviously your interpreting ability is on par with the rest of bammer nation. I said they don't carry weight in Alabama's world. I said if Ala can play for Championships without winning their division or playing in their conference championship, then AU and Wisconsin shouldn't have been punished last yr for playing in the it's. If there had been no conference championship, then Wisconsin would have gotten in, as would Auburn have over Georgia. I also said if Ala isn't held to the Conference Championship standard, then nobody else should either.Not sure why that is so difficult for you to understand. But in the most dumbed down way I can think of here's the best way to say it. Every team should follow the same standard and not Alabama, then everyone else. Yrs ago TCU was told they didn't get in the CFP because the big 12 didn't have a championship game that would crown a big 12 champion. Yet they do the exact opposite last yr. Alabama got slapped around by Auburn, then Aub had to play Ga again for the 2nd time in a month after blowing them out of Jordan Hare. So Auburn gets punished for beating Ala and Ala got rewarded for losing to Auburn. If you don't see the double standard and huge problem with this then something is majorly wrong. I guarantee you would if Ala and AU had swapped roles.

So exactly how do you know Ala was superior to Ohio St or USC? They didn't play, so you can't base it off that. Since Aub handled Ala, wouldn't that have made Auburn superior to Ala? With your superior logic, Auburn should have gotten in over Ala. I would bet that Ohio St would have gone toe to toe with Ala.

One last thing for you..If you didn't know the name of either school tell me which team you would have taken in the CFP. Team A.Power 5 conference and was said to be the best top to bottom conference last yr..11-2 with a loss to an 8-5 Iowa team and CFP team Oklahoma. But was 2-1 vs Top 5 teams, 3-1 vs Top 15 teams and all 3 finished the yr ranked, the #5 SOS, won their division and also their conference championship.. Team B 11-1 with a loss in their final game, 1-0 vs Top 5 and a team who finished 7-6, 3-1 vs Top 20 although none of the 3 finished the yr ranked.Played in the 2nd best conference last yr, did not win their division nor did they play for their conference championship and had the #22 SOS. You're a committee member and factor in what you told the Big 12 and TCU a few yrs ago..which resume do you take??

 

[bamawriter]

Who exactly is talking out of both sides of their mouth? Obviously your interpreting ability is on par with the rest of bammer nation. I said they don't carry weight in Alabama's world.

Again, not true. Alabama only got in because Wisconsin lost the Big 10 Championship Game. That game carried a great deal of weight for Alabama. For it to be irrelevant, then the assumption would have to be that Bama would have made the CFP even if Wisconsin had won.

I also said if Ala isn't held to the Conference Championship standard, then nobody else should either.

No one else is. Alabama wasn't even the first division runner-up to make the CFP. And unlike two years ago, runner-up Bama didn't get in over their conference champ.

Not sure why that is so difficult for you to understand.

I understand it fine. Your position is inconsistent.

Every team should follow the same standard and not Alabama, then everyone else.

Again, Alabama is not held to a standard that does not exist for everyone else. Everyone is on the same playing field. You have a very selective recollection of recent events.

Yrs ago TCU was told they didn't get in the CFP because the big 12 didn't have a championship game that would crown a big 12 champion.

Same goes for Baylor, who, you know, beat TCU. But Ohio State got in because they played the extra game. Had OSU lost, either TCU or Baylor would have made it in.

Yet they do the exact opposite last yr.

No they did not. It was the exact same situation. TCU/Baylor didn't miss out because of some mythical double-standard that favors Alabama. They missed out because OSU won their title game, just like Bama would have missed out had Wisconsin done the same last year. In fact, TCU or Baylor (or maybe both) would also have made it had Bama, Oregon, or FSU lost. Title game participants actually have a leg up on runners-up because they can add a result while the runners-up aren't playing.

Alabama got slapped around by Auburn, then Aub had to play Ga again for the 2nd time in a month after blowing them out of Jordan Hare. So Auburn gets punished for beating Ala and Ala got rewarded for losing to Auburn.

Again, Bama's CFP hopes had absolutely nothing to do with Auburn. Bama would have made it in even if Auburn had won in Atlanta. Unlike Bama, Auburn controlled their own destiny to the CFP. Bama had to sit and hope that Wisconsin or OU lost.

So exactly how do you know Ala was superior to Ohio St or USC? They didn't play, so you can't base it off that.

They had an equal number of wins, and didn't get housed in the fashion that USC and OSU did. Twice, in OSU's case.

Since Aub handled Ala, wouldn't that have made Auburn superior to Ala? With your superior logic, Auburn should have gotten in over Ala.

Yes, Auburn was absolutely better than Bama on that day. And despite having an extra loss, Auburn would have gotten in over Bama had they won in Atlanta. But not with two extra losses. When everything shook out the way that it did, it was only logical to look at a beat-up Bama squad that would be getting a bunch of guys back and say "that's one of the four best teams in the country." And in the end, Bama beat 3 of the 4 teams that beat Auburn. So that idea that Auburn was undeniably superior to Alabama over the course of the season isn't really supportable.

I would bet that Ohio St would have gone toe to toe with Ala.

Maybe. But they curled up and died against OU and Iowa, so they didn't earn the chance to prove themselves.

One last thing for you..If you didn't know the name of either school tell me which team you would have taken in the CFP. Team A.Power 5 conference and was said to be the best top to bottom conference last yr..11-2 with a 31 point loss to an 8-5 Iowa team and a 2 TD loss, at home, to CFP team Oklahoma. But was 2-1 vs Top 5 teams, 3-1 vs Top 15 teams and all 3 finished the yr ranked, the #5 SOS, won their division and also their conference championship. Team B 11-1 with a loss in their final game, 1-0 vs Top 5 and a team who finished 7-6, 3-1 vs Top 20 although none of the 3 finished the yr ranked.Played in the 2nd best conference last yr, did not win their division nor did they play for their conference championship and had the #22 SOS. You're a committee member and factor in what you told the Big 12 and TCU a few yrs ago..which resume do you take??

I noticed you left off the bold. Going with Team B.

 

[jasonvol18]

Again, not true. Alabama only got in because Wisconsin lost the Big 10 Championship Game. That game carried a great deal of weight for Alabama. For it to be irrelevant, then the assumption would have to be that Bama would have made the CFP even if Wisconsin had won.



No one else is. Alabama wasn't even the first division runner-up to make the CFP. And unlike two years ago, runner-up Bama didn't get in over their conference champ.



I understand it fine. Your position is inconsistent.



Again, Alabama is not held to a standard that does not exist for everyone else. Everyone is on the same playing field. You have a very selective recollection of recent events.



Same goes for Baylor, who, you know, beat TCU. But Ohio State got in because they played the extra game. Had OSU lost, either TCU or Baylor would have made it in.



No they did not. It was the exact same situation. TCU/Baylor didn't miss out because of some mythical double-standard that favors Alabama. They missed out because OSU won their title game, just like Bama would have missed out had Wisconsin done the same last year. In fact, TCU or Baylor (or maybe both) would also have made it had Bama, Oregon, or FSU lost. Title game participants actually have a leg up on runners-up because they can add a result while the runners-up aren't playing.



Again, Bama's CFP hopes had absolutely nothing to do with Auburn. Bama would have made it in even if Auburn had won in Atlanta. Unlike Bama, Auburn controlled their own destiny to the CFP. Bama had to sit and hope that Wisconsin or OU lost.



They had an equal number of wins, and didn't get housed in the fashion that USC and OSU did. Twice, in OSU's case.



Yes, Auburn was absolutely better than Bama on that day. And despite having an extra loss, Auburn would have gotten in over Bama had they won in Atlanta. But not with two extra losses. When everything shook out the way that it did, it was only logical to look at a beat-up Bama squad that would be getting a bunch of guys back and say "that's one of the four best teams in the country." And in the end, Bama beat 3 of the 4 teams that beat Auburn. So that idea that Auburn was undeniably superior to Alabama over the course of the season isn't really supportable.



Maybe. But they curled up and died against OU and Iowa, so they didn't earn the chance to prove themselves.



I noticed you left off the bold. Going with Team B.

Your lack of ability to read and process the info is absolutely astonishing. Living amongst your kind for 20+ yrs, I thought I had already encountered the lowest of your bottom feeders, but in true bammer fashion you've proved me wrong.I have gotten used to the gods gift to football complex that's bred into y'all as baby's, but the double standard and hypocrisy is a different story. Being a huge pet peeve of mine, I probably will never get used to that.

If you can honestly tell me if the roles were reversed with Auburn or TN, that you're opinion wouldn't change then you're FOS. Hypocrisy and Double standards are huge Staples of bammer nation. It's not hearsay or an assumption either, I've seen it firsthand more times than I care to count. Prime example.. Alabama fans still call Fulmer a snitch because of the Means situation, even though Saban, Spurrier, Nutt and a few others also were part of the case. Anyway, Fulmer is considered a Snitch by Bammers, even though they have done the same thing to Auburn several times. They even tried getting TN on probation with the Alabama Booster who worked for a newspaper in Mobile. He had given Tee money but he had already established a relationship with Tee from childhood so Alabama's attempt failed. So your response was exactly what I expected and you didn't disappoint!

 

[bamawriter]

Your lack of ability to read and process the info is absolutely astonishing. Living amongst your kind for 20+ yrs, I thought I had already encountered the lowest of your bottom feeders, but in true bammer fashion you've proved me wrong.

Perhaps you have an inability to express your thoughts consistently. Given that I have lived in TN for almost my entire life, while you've lived in AL, it might be that my ability to comprehend is beyond your ability to communicate. I'm sure you'd agree that it would make sense given our surroundings.

If you can honestly tell me if the roles were reversed with Auburn or TN, that you're opinion wouldn't change then you're FOS.

It won't matter what I say because you've decided that you've won the argument by presenting a hypothetical that can't be tested.

I'll say this: I think Auburn got screwed in 2004. They should have had an opportunity. And I think it's hilarious that they were left out.

Make of that what you will.

Hypocrisy and Double standards are huge Staples of bammer nation. It's not hearsay or an assumption either, I've seen it firsthand more times than I care to count. Prime example.. Alabama fans still call Fulmer a snitch because of the Means situation, even though Saban, Spurrier, Nutt and a few others also were part of the case. Anyway, Fulmer is considered a Snitch by Bammers, even though they have done the same thing to Auburn several times. They even tried getting TN on probation with the Alabama Booster who worked for a newspaper in Mobile. He had given Tee money but he had already established a relationship with Tee from childhood so Alabama's attempt failed. So your response was exactly what I expected and you didn't disappoint!

See, you aren't even consistently following the discussion.

 

[VolPack22]

It’s not about when you lose, but who you lose to. Alabama and Georgia lost to Auburn who was considered a top 5 team. However, Alabama is always going to get the benefit of the doubt as long as Saban is there. They could’ve lost to Ole Miss this year and still made it in.