Do the Vols miss Ramar Smith and Duke Crews?

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volfan2024

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Dismissed earlier this year.Just wondering how big of a factor that has reflected on our team play this year.
 
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I personally dont miss R Smith too much.
It would be nice to have D Crews in the paint he was a little more scrappier than Chism and Williams.
But the team seems to have adjusted just fine.
 
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I would like to see Ramar at the point, if he had his head on straight off the court. He could help, especially breaking down zones and on d.
 
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right now I just hope the PG we have can break down the 1-3-1.
I think Marquette exposed B Maze a little with that 1-3-1.
 
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velovol said:
right now I just hope the PG we have can break down the 1-3-1.
I think Marquette exposed B Maze a little with that 1-3-1.
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You say that as if every team runs a 1-3-1 trap defense. The only team recently in the SEC to do it is Georgia. Maze will be fine. He got caught by surprise one time and you are freaking out wanting Ramar back. Maze has done a better job than Ramar did in his time IMO.
 
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onfieldvol4 said:
You say that as if every team runs a 1-3-1 trap defense. The only team recently in the SEC to do it is Georgia. Maze will be fine. He got caught by surprise one time and you are freaking out wanting Ramar back. Maze has done a better job than Ramar did in his time IMO.
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Not sure what you are talking about I mentioned earlier that I didnt miss Ramar in my first post.
(I personally dont miss R Smith too much. )

And I just said it exposed B Maze A LITTLE. Little being the keyword. I hardly freaked out and I didnt say one word about RS coming back. I am fine with Maze think he has been one of the biggest surprises on the team.

Read the entire thread next time.
 
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Of course we miss them. The team's biggest weaknesses are 1) inexperience at guard and 2) lack of a consistently strong post player. They are missing a starter at point and a starter on the block.

I did not understand the "good riddance" attitude of many on the board when they were dismissed, and I do not understand how anyone who has watched UT play this year could think we would not be better had they returned. It is a loss, plain and simple.
 
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I'd say Ramar more so than Duke, because of obvious reasons at the point.

Negedu and Williams are good enough that I don't think Duke's absence is making that big of a difference. Be nice to have another big and more experienced body down there, but still.
 
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cotton said:
Of course we miss them. The team's biggest weaknesses are 1) inexperience at guard and 2) lack of a consistently strong post player. They are missing a starter at point and a starter on the block.

I did not understand the "good riddance" attitude of many on the board when they were dismissed, and I do not understand how anyone who has watched UT play this year could think we would not be better had they returned. It is a loss, plain and simple.
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I was Ramar's biggest supporter. That said, losing those guys has been a Godsend to this program. Keeping guys with toxic attitudes and nonexistant work ethics on your team is never beneficial. If we were casting a sequel to New Jack City, keeping them around would have made sense. Otherwise, their removal from the team was warranted and essential to the progress of the program.
 
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Personally I think Bobby is a much better player than Ramar, Bobby is a much better shooter and plays great D, the only area that I think Ramar was better was ball handling. Ramar could not shoot it in the ocean and as for Duke, he was a decent rebounder but its not hard to find a 6'7 foward.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I was Ramar's biggest supporter. That said, losing those guys has been a Godsend to this program. Keeping guys with toxic attitudes and nonexistant work ethics on your team is never beneficial. If we were casting a sequel to New Jack City, keeping them around would have made sense. Otherwise, their removal from the team was warranted and essential to the progress of the program.
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hatvol96 said:
I was Ramar's biggest supporter. That said, losing those guys has been a Godsend to this program. Keeping guys with toxic attitudes and nonexistant work ethics on your team is never beneficial. If we were casting a sequel to New Jack City, keeping them around would have made sense. Otherwise, their removal from the team was warranted and essential to the progress of the program.
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I was speaking specifically of their on the court attributes, which obviously didn't outweigh their off court antics or they would still be in orange. The team would be better with players of their caliber in the line-up, as they were better than the guys replacing them at this stage of development.

Losing your starting point and starting post hurts, even more so because they should have been approaching their best years. That doesn't mean ejecting renegades from the program was not the right thing to do.

EDIT: I suppose my point was that I wish Ramar and Duke had been able to abide by the rules and remain a part of the program; we would be better if they had. I did not mean to imply that, given everything that transpired, they should have been allowed to stay.
 
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cotton said:
I was speaking specifically of their on the court attributes, which obviously didn't outweigh their off court antics or they would still be in orange. The team would be better with players of their caliber in the line-up, as they were better than the guys replacing them at this stage of development.

Losing your starting point and starting post hurts, even more so because they should have been approaching their best years. That doesn't mean ejecting renegades from the program was not the right thing to do.
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Duke Crews was almost universally ineffective last year. I'm perfectly happy having Williams and Negedu fill his minutes.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Duke Crews was almost universally ineffective last year. I'm perfectly happy having Williams and Negedu fill his minutes.
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I would rather have him as an option. You can always leave the least effective on the bench.

It is under the bridge at this point anyway.
 
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westtnvol said:
Personally I think Bobby is a much better player than Ramar, Bobby is a much better shooter and plays great D, the only area that I think Ramar was better was ball handling. Ramar could not shoot it in the ocean and as for Duke, he was a decent rebounder but its not hard to find a 6'7 foward.
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Duke had an uncanny ability to clank a put back into the 3rd row.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I was Ramar's biggest supporter. That said, losing those guys has been a Godsend to this program. Keeping guys with toxic attitudes and nonexistant work ethics on your team is never beneficial. If we were casting a sequel to New Jack City, keeping them around would have made sense. Otherwise, their removal from the team was warranted and essential to the progress of the program.
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IDK about that because i liked Ramar a lot. I hate to see kids with so much talent just screw it up because they don't have their head on straight.
 
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westtnvol said:
Personally I think Bobby is a much better player than Ramar, Bobby is a much better shooter and plays great D, the only area that I think Ramar was better was ball handling. Ramar could not shoot it in the ocean and as for Duke, he was a decent rebounder but its not hard to find a 6'7 foward.
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Ramar was godawful at ball handling. Maze is much better.
 
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I don't miss either of them at all. We wouldn't have gone after Maze if we still had Ramar, and it looks like Maze is going to be an upgrade. Also, I'm not sure if we get Negedu if we still have Duke, and Negedu has a lot more upside. He's already looking to be more productive this year than Duke was last year.
 
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It wasn't like either one of them contributed all that much. Duke had the heart issue and Ramar was bad enough that Bruce switched horses by putting JP in even though he was totally inexperienced. Both were talented and I think could have been good if they had spent more time shooting free throws and less time hitting the hashpipe.
 
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