Do transfers count towards 25 limits per class ??

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I have read conflicting information on this. A lot of well known posters here saying 'The 25 limit is hard limit and transfers count towards it'. This will make UT not even meet scholarship numbers as we have 20 bodies in portal plus 10-15 graduating or leaving.

I think Brent Hubbs (or someone on radio on Jimmy Hyams show) said that it does not count towards the 25 limit. I only caught tail end of the conversation so could not tell if it was only COVID year or overall.

So, anyone with information; Do incoming transfers count towards 25 ? Overall and this year ?

If they do, given that NCAA might give one time immediate eligibility to transfers, some schools will have 10-15-20 folks leave post spring & summer (once kids find out the depth chart and their position), how will that be handled ?? Does a 25 new signees, no cap on transfers and 84 hard cap total make sense ??
 
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volmandu said:
I have read conflicting information on this. A lot of well known posters here saying 'The 25 limit is hard limit and transfers count towards it'. This will make UT not even meet scholarship numbers as we have 20 bodies in portal plus 10-15 graduating or leaving.

I think Brent Hubbs (or someone on radio on Jimmy Hyams show) said that it does not count towards the 25 limit. I only caught tail end of the conversation so could not tell if it was only COVID year or overall.

So, anyone with information; Do incoming transfers count towards 25 ? Overall and this year ?

If they do, given that NCAA might give one time immediate eligibility to transfers, some schools will have 10-15-20 folks leave post spring & summer (once kids find out the depth chart and their position), how will that be handled ?? Does a 25 new signees, no cap on transfers and 84 hard cap total make sense ??
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YES. I started a thread on this last week. The portal is going to really set this team back. Any and everyone can transfer out, but you will get no compensatory relief for letting people in. That is why it's essential for Heupel to stop the roster bleeding now. The one good thing Pruitt did is he left open some scholarships to take transfers. Two, with the Covid rule we can exceed the total scholly limit. If we can keep what's here now and add some help in critical areas, it will make it a lot easier.
 
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from my understanding, yes incoming transfers will count toward your 25, that's why you have to decide to take a full class or not. All our players in the portal may not be guaranteed to be able to go to just any program depending on their numbers. Otherwise Bama would just take everyone.
 
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macrovol said:
Transfers do not count toward the 25, but they do count toward the 85, so they have a limiting effect.
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This is what Brent said on radio but others here have a different opinion. Also some guy on SDS wrote saying TN wont be able to have 85 scholarship due to 25 cap on transfers. So I am genuinely confused lol :)
 
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It has been my understanding that transfers in DO count against the yearly 25. If they enroll in the Summer or Fall they can count on the 2022 class of 25 or back count to 2021 if room is available.
So, UT will have plenty of space to bring in new transfers by fall and count them against the 2021 or 2022 classes.

Plus you still have to remain under 85 total.

Disclaimer: Most likely UT will self impose a few scholarship penalties due to the current investigation. So the 25 number for each year will probably be decreased by 2 or 3 scholarships for 2021 and 2022.
 
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One thing is for sure: with everyone getting a bonus year, this is going to be the wildest year for transfers ever.

Personally, based on our roster, I'd be stocking up on transfers this summer and count all of them forward to 2022. It will cause a small freshman class, but it is going to be the quickest way to reload.
 
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jpope9 said:
New transfer rule means a numbers crunch in '21 recruiting cycle.

says it does count toward the 25 scholarship limit like recruits do.
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Correct. The NCAA is getting ready to cause a complete **** storm. If they do not allow some sort of compensatory scholarships that lose transfers.

Lets just say that the players don't like Heupel. Everyone on the team can enter the portal. Yup, every single player. Will they? No, but it doesn't change what could happen. Let's also say that all the signees want out of their scholarships. Could they? Yes. Pruitt was fired with cause so every one of them could likely get out of their LOI. That means UT could sign 25 and that would be it. You wouldn't have enough players to field a team. If the NCAA grants the one time rule, just watch pandemonium ensue.
 
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volmandu said:
Does a 25 new signees, no cap on transfers and 84 hard cap total make sense ??
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For the next ~3 years, yes. Remember, not only do seniors not count toward the 85 this year, but everyone got a free year last season as well.

Therefore, your school (let's say hypothetically) that has attrition of ~33% over players' 4 years (about average according to LWS's extensive data on this) would look like:

25 - true freshman
23 - true freshman
21 - sophomores
19 - juniors
(88 counting toward the 85)
+17 - seniors
+ rs seniors and so on

So even with a crazy number of 20 transfers, a school is fine.

Numbers will be unusually high for a few years. In the meantime, players will keep learning supply exceed demand.
 
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The good thing is that we have only lost a couple quality players to the transfer portal. Most of what we have lost are back-ups and 3rd or 4th string players
 
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Hopefully we basically use this time to pick up a few more in the transfer portal. I see at least 1 more OL, 1-2DBs, 1 DL, and 1 TE would be nice.
 
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3rdDegreeVol said:
There's no exemption in the rules for transfers to not count against the 25.
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Most people say that. But Mack Brown was recently talking about a grad transfer they got and said it was a nice addition that counted toward the 85 but didn't count toward the 25 limit. As a HC, I would think he would know.
 
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Roustabout said:
Correct. The NCAA is getting ready to cause a complete **** storm. If they do not allow some sort of compensatory scholarships that lose transfers.

Lets just say that the players don't like Heupel. Everyone on the team can enter the portal. Yup, every single player. Will they? No, but it doesn't change what could happen. Let's also say that all the signees want out of their scholarships. Could they? Yes. Pruitt was fired with cause so every one of them could likely get out of their LOI. That means UT could sign 25 and that would be it. You wouldn't have enough players to field a team. If the NCAA grants the one time rule, just watch pandemonium ensue.
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It's mainly to keep the big money making teams on top
 
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Kristy* said:
Most people say that. But Mack Brown was recently talking about a grad transfer they got and said it was a nice addition that counted toward the 85 but didn't count toward the 25 limit. As a HC, I would think he would know.
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There's nothing in the rule book that supports that. Only one of the exceptions for the 25 NLI/financial aid signees or the 25 initial counters applies to transfers. That particular case is where a student starts at a four-year school and is an initial counter, then transfers to a two-year school, and then back to the original school, doesn't count as an initial counter upon return. To me that implies transfers otherwise do count. Mask Brown may have been referring to the fact that a mid year transfer can under certain circumstances count against the following year's 25 but the current year's 85. I don't know.
 
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Devo182 said:
No. False.

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I think that this is a special year due to covid easing of the rule where graduate transfers or seniors who are transferring do not count against the 25 limit .Or to put it another way seniors and graduate transfers will be allowed to exceed the 25 limit ....this is my understanding of what the NCAA has done to help ameliorate covid impact .
 
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Ok, I have read through this thread, but I see no definitive answer to the basic question about transfers. I am buying that those seniors that return to their school do not count against the 85 cap, and would GUESS that you can still have 20 over whatever that number is as PWO's, and I get the trend of the one time transfer to allow players to not have to sit a year, but I still have not seen anything that impacts the 25 initial counter limit on a school. So no matter how free a player is to leave I think they all will still have to find a school willing to use up a counter on them. That is the way that the NCAA keeps lids on the whole transfer market. It could still be devastating with the cream of the unhappy players moving across or up and some others willing to transfer down to lessor D1 schools on top of those going down to lower divisions. Potentially I could see some ruling to allow for transfers above the 25 cap to allow schools with huge losses to get to some minimum number of total schollies, maybe like 75 or 80. Maybe something like the compensatory draft in pro sports after late signing period and before fall reporting day. They can't be wanting a lot of movement all year.
 
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