Do you think a healthy Ainge & Coker defeats LSU & Arkansas?

#26
#26
Lexvol said:
That frustrated me more than anything else agains Arkansas. This is verticle offense. Call the game accordingly.
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Check the Arkansas game. There were even fewer downfield throws. We started throwing deep on our last TD drive, when the game was already over, of course.
 
#27
#27
That is my point. Why play scared when you have nothing to lose but pride?
 
#28
#28
Lexvol said:
That is my point. Why play scared when you have nothing to lose but pride?
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The game plan for Arkansas on offense and defense was weak. They obviously wasn't ready for McFadden and hadn't integrated Crompton fully into the offense.
 
#30
#30
kptvol said:
I understood that. Understand this: A healthy Ainge is still not a very good scrambler.
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In the Arkansas game the way the DE was getting by Eric Young, a "healthy Ainge" would have been an "unhealthy Ainge" soon in the game.
 
#31
#31
Who's to say...

But I'm a little befuddled by all of the revisionist history about Crompton playing some great game against LSU. He played well considering he was a FR, but he did not play well enough to keep our offense moving. There were WRs open against LSU that he missed all night. And his scrambles were often because he was jumpy in the pocket.

Also, there is some revison with FL. Ainge played well in that game. But our offense was still a TE-FB I-form game plan. That is what did us in, and our boneheaded attempt to keep running the ball. FL didn't shut us down as much as we called plays that didn't give is a chance.

...oh yeah, and the idiots didn't play Coker.
 
#32
#32
Liper said:
Who's to say...

But I'm a little befuddled by all of the revisionist history about Crompton playing some great game against LSU. He played well considering he was a FR, but he did not play well enough to keep our offense moving. There were WRs open against LSU that he missed all night. And his scrambles were often because he was jumpy in the pocket.

Also, there is some revison with FL. Ainge played well in that game. But our offense was still a TE-FB I-form game plan. That is what did us in, and our boneheaded attempt to keep running the ball. FL didn't shut us down as much as we called plays that didn't give is a chance.

...oh yeah, and the idiots didn't play Coker.
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There's no revision.The fact is, Crompton made two perfect deep throws. Ainge hasn't thrown a deep ball all year that matches either of them. That's the only way we were going to move the ball against that defense. We were never going to throw all of our little horizontal passes and drive 80 yards against that defense.
 
#33
#33
Crompton made 1 perfect throw, the other one was a little underthrown, but who's counting?
 
#35
#35
hatvol96 said:
There's no revision.The fact is, Crompton made two perfect deep throws. Ainge hasn't thrown a deep ball all year that matches either of them. That's the only way we were going to move the ball against that defense. We were never going to throw all of our little horizontal passes and drive 80 yards against that defense.
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That's your opinion and I disagree with it. I'm not talking about 2 throws, but an entire game.

And yes, I think we could move the ball against their defense. The reason their defense looked so good is because we ran our offense with one hand tied behind our back and JC missed read after read after read. I don't think they can cover us when we're healthy.
 
#36
#36
Liper said:
That's your opinion and I disagree with it. I'm not talking about 2 throws, but an entire game.

And yes, I think we could move the ball against their defense. The reason their defense looked so good is because we ran our offense with one hand tied behind our back and JC missed read after read after read. I don't think they can cover us when we're healthy.
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LSU probably has the best secondary in the nation. They can cover us.
 
#38
#38
hatvol96 said:
Still better than any pass over twenty yards Ainge has thrown all season.
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Best deep ball I've seen was in the 4th quarter against South Carolina. I think we were up by 11 and everybody expected us to start running the ball and on first down Ainge hit Meachem down the sideline for about 50 yards.
 
#39
#39
Liper said:
Well, they didn't.
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It sure looked like Meachem was well-covered on both his TD receptions. Anyway, it wouldn't have mattered. Ainge would have been eating ground all night. Not trying to knock Ainge, but saying the game would have been different with him in the game is a bit ridiculous. He would have been running for his life like he did against Florida.
 
#40
#40
kptvol said:
It sure looked like Meachem was well-covered on both his TD receptions. Anyway, it wouldn't have mattered. Ainge would have been eating ground all night. Not trying to knock Ainge, but saying the game would have been different with him in the game is a bit ridiculous. He would have been running for his life like he did against Florida.
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This is all subjective...

Meachem beat double coverage on one and had a step on the other. But that's not my point; everyone is obsessed with two plays.

JC didn't eat ground all night. We protected reasonably well in that game.

EA is a far, far better player at this point that JC. Getting the ball off on time and to the right guy is more important than running. We may have lost, we may not have. But to say EA wouldn't have helped our offense is what seems ridiculous to me.

LSU is not the best defense we've ever played.
 
#41
#41
It's impossible to really guage how good LSU's defense really was since we were playing with a freshman QB and half a playbook.
 
#42
#42
it's hard to speculate about the collective magic that might've continued with Ainge at the helm. With the LSU game being as close as it was with Crompton leading, I give that one to us in the Guesswork Bowl. Arkansas? Well, on the night we played them, I'm not sure anyone, and I mean ANYONE, beats them. It was a very, very good team playing at the top of their game, and we were, well, not. But again, Ainge clearly brings a dimension to this team that cannot be achieved without him. With him at QB, after seeing Arkansas sputter a little today - honestly - I'd say if we play them 5 times, we win twice. My :twocents:
 
#43
#43
GAVol said:
It's impossible to really guage how good LSU's defense really was since we were playing with a freshman QB and half a playbook.
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Finally someone gets what I'm saying!!:lolabove:

Remember the play when JC pumped faked to a wide open Swain, and then threw into double coverage with Meachem? That kind if thing went on all night.

Not to mention that we couldn't run what we wanted to because of a FR QB.
 
#44
#44
GAVol said:
It's impossible to really guage how good LSU's defense really was since we were playing with a freshman QB and half a playbook.
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I didn't realize that the game against us was the only one LSU has played this year.
 
#45
#45
Liper said:
This is all subjective...

Meachem beat double coverage on one and had a step on the other. But that's not my point; everyone is obsessed with two plays.

JC didn't eat ground all night. We protected reasonably well in that game.

EA is a far, far better player at this point that JC. Getting the ball off on time and to the right guy is more important than running. We may have lost, we may not have. But to say EA wouldn't have helped our offense is what seems ridiculous to me.

LSU is not the best defense we've ever played.
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Crompton avoided pressure with his legs. Ainge wouldn't have been able to do that nearly as well, even at 100%. That's just not the type of QB he is. I never said LSU is the best defense we've played, but they have the best secondary.
 
#46
#46
Liper said:
Not to mention that we couldn't run what we wanted to because of a FR QB.
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Seems like the offense we wanted to run wasn't getting it done. Maybe it would have been a smart call to try and change things up.
 
#48
#48
hatvol96 said:
I didn't realize that the game against us was the only one LSU has played this year.
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Of course it wasn't . . . and I wasn't questioning whether they have a great defense - just that it's a little difficult to compare Florida to LSU since the personnel was different.
 
#49
#49
i beleive a healthy ainge/coker we beat lsu, arkansas lined up hit us in the mouth, covered our receivers nfl style...no we dont beat them. BUT, since this is conjecture...give me inky and harrell, and i beleive the vols beat fla. lsu, and possibly ark. lets face it ark played a great game, damn few teams beat them that night, osu yeah, maybe mich. but i doubt the latter. go vols
 
#50
#50
gcb/hoosiervol said:
i beleive a healthy ainge/coker we beat lsu, arkansas lined up hit us in the mouth, covered our receivers nfl style...no we dont beat them. BUT, since this is conjecture...give me inky and harrell, and i beleive the vols beat fla. lsu, and possibly ark. lets face it ark played a great game, damn few teams beat them that night, osu yeah, maybe mich. but i doubt the latter. go vols
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All those guys were great players, but you have to expect at least some injuries. You can't blame late season losses on injuries. That's what late season games are all about. That being said, I still don't think we could have beaten Arkansas, even with those guys. I don't think Arkansas even unleashed their full arsenal against us.
 
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