Does Hart even get a chance?

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Burhead said:
They are they only ones that make me feel confident in turning this **** around and uniting the fan base. The tier B guys do nothing for me and will not support any one not named Gruden, Patterson, Petersen, or Stoops.
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You should probably look for a dfferent team then, bc I don't see any of those guys leaving their current positions.
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ThatVolGuy said:
Nobody said he was reading VolNation every night, ya pantywaist. Quit putting words in my mouth.

VolNation is not the only place where this talk has been occurring.
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I fail to see where I put words in your mouth. My words were my own. You're right VN isn't the only place that was occurring. It was also occurring on twitter, through half-witted columnists, through misinformed posters with their "sources", etc.

Either way you apparently missed the point of my post. Hart was more things to worry about than the dreams of this forum, ya pantywaist.
 
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ThatVolGuy said:
His job?
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He's worried about his job in that he needs to make a good hire, because it's his job. Luckily there are plenty of coaches out there that will be good hires.

But if you're referring to him being worried about being fired then no. That's just dumb.
 
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KCVolLaw said:
Lets try to use our brains everyone. If Hart just contacted Gruden in the past couple of days then there was still a chance (however slight it may be) that he would be interested back when all the "OGs" started popping up. Hart wasn't getting your hopes up so he could crush them. He just simply hadn't talked to Gruden yet.

Even if Hart had made an announcement about it weeks ago everyone would have made the smoke screen argument anyway.
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Then I'd be curious to know WTF he was doing. This hire is the most important thing he'll be tasked with doing during his tenure as AD, and you're making the argument that still a week and a half after firing Dooley he simply hadn't gotten around to it yet?

I agree if he did publicly say he wasn't pursuing Gruden then people would have just said it was a smokescreen, but still, at least once everything played out he would have boosted his ultimate credibility with the fanbase by having been upfront with them from the start. Instead, he let the rumors hang out there for weeks by not addressing them and now forces us to get behind a second (or very likely worse) rate hire.

The only thing that frustrates me about the whole process so far is that the AD hasn't given any indication of what guys they are really after. That's why people's imaginations are running wild. If the plan all along was to get a mediocre mid-major coach, then that is what it is, but at least be honest with your fanbase and let them know that from the outset.
 
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GLDunlap said:
You have no idea what's really going on behind the scenes. People need to stop bashing Hart for things they perceive to be true when in reality they have no clue. Just let the process play out. If Hart comes up with a "Dooley" type hire then he's fair game but until there is an actual hire people need to chill.
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Ive read your post on here alot.For some odd reason I got a feeling u know a little more than u r telling.lol
 
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KCVolLaw said:
He's worried about his job in that he needs to make a good hire, because it's his job. Luckily there are plenty of coaches out there that will be good hires.

But if you're referring to him being worried about being fired then no. That's just dumb.
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Well, let me preface this post by saying that I'm definitely being overly emotional right now - please excuse the name calling and irrational thoughts.

In any case, I am legitimately interested in seeing how they deal with the fallout. Do you acknowledge, at the very least, that it may prove to be a bit difficult for the AD?
 
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Gruden was a pipe dream almost everyone jumped on and was a fantasy that almost no one wanted to believe he wouldn't come. Those who really thought Gruden was coming were chasing a pie in the sky.

I don't have any trust in Dave Hart to make a great hire but he'll make a better one than Hamilton did.
 
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Vol67 said:
Gruden was a pipe dream almost everyone jumped on and was a fantasy that almost no one wanted to believe he wouldn't come. Those who really thought Gruden was coming were chasing a pie in the sky.

I don't have any trust in Dave Hart to make a great hire but he'll make a better one than Hamilton did.
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Only because it would literally be impossible to hire a worse coach than Dooley.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Then I'd be curious to know WTF he was doing. This hire is the most important thing he'll be tasked with doing during his tenure as AD, and you're making the argument that still a week and a half after firing Dooley he simply hadn't gotten around to it yet?

I agree if he did publicly say he wasn't pursuing Gruden then people would have just said it was a smokescreen, but still, at least once everything played out he would have boosted his ultimate credibility with the fanbase by having been upfront with them from the start. Instead, he let the rumors hang out there for weeks by not addressing them and now forces us to get behind a second (or very likely worse) rate hire.

The only thing that frustrates me about the whole process so far is that the AD hasn't given any indication of what guys they are really after. That's why people's imaginations are running wild. If the plan all along was to get a mediocre mid-major coach, then that is what it is, but at least be honest with your fanbase and let them know that from the outset.
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This is a coaching search. It involves a lot of delicate situations with people that are already employed by other institutions. An intelligent AD will not tell you who he is talking to for confidentiality reasons. That's a good thing. I'd rather be in the dark then have to deal with stories about people turning us down.

Here is my best guess on why Hart just talked to Gruden...bc he was talking to other people that he wanted more than Gruden in the meantime. Or maybe it just makes more sense that Hart sat around for a week and a half...
 
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Is anyone at all thinking this could be the BEST magician trick ever? We are all focusing on the left hand and then the rabbit comes ou ton the right?
Maybe just Maybe there is a deal done....and then again maybe not but maybe this is all going to be OK





bleedorange0037 said:
Because surely Hart isn't deaf to the talk that's been circulating in Knoxville over the past month or so. If he had no interest in pursuing Gruden, or Gruden was never interested, why not just come out and say so before things got so out of control? Instead, it kind of feel like the AD led the fans on for a while only to then force them to stomach a FAR inferior hire. Every other SEC school that is in the market for a coach has at least laid out some candidates that they are interested in.

Hart talked a big game in his press conference about not letting money be an object in this hire, but if we were always going to get stuck with a Butch Jones/Larry Fedora type hire, why not just be upfront about it so fans could prepare for the worst rather than hoping for the best like we've been allowed to do the past few weeks?
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Just when is he going to start working on this. Waiting until the few decent ones are gone and announce that smart/strong/golden is the best one for us and has been #1 on his list all along.
 
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KCVolLaw said:
This is a coaching search. It involves a lot of delicate situations with people that are already employed by other institutions. An intelligent AD will not tell you who he is talking to for confidentiality reasons. That's a good thing. I'd rather be in the dark then have to deal with stories about people turning us down.

Here is my best guess on why Hart just talked to Gruden...bc he was talking to other people that he wanted more than Gruden in the meantime. Or maybe it just makes more sense that Hart sat around for a week and a half...
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I'd honestly rather find out that he just stared at the wall in his office for a week and a half than find out he spent that time talking to people he wanted more than Gruden. Is he that dead set on making a point to the boosters that he'd intentionally hire an inferior candidate just to show them who's really calling the shots? I sure hope not.

Unless he's resurrected General Neyland, Bear Bryant, etc. and has them in his office, Gruden was the first person he should have talked to. From a strictly Wins and Losses standpoint, everyone other than Petrino is a MASSIVE step down from Gruden. Obviously Petrino comes with a lot of personal baggage that Gruden doesn't though.
 
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There was only one name that was going to unite this fanbase... and if Hart didn't even call him until today???? Then NO, Hart doesn't get a chance.
 
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ThatVolGuy said:
Well, let me preface this post by saying that I'm definitely being overly emotional right now - please excuse the name calling and irrational thoughts.

In any case, I am legitimately interested in seeing how they deal with the fallout. Do you acknowledge, at the very least, that it may prove to be a bit difficult for the AD?
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No worries. If I had bought in to the Gruden stuff then I would be emotional too.

There will prob be some fallout. But I think we will make a good hire. Not everyone will love the hire, but not everyone would have loved the Gruden hire either. I will give the fanbase the benefit of the doubt an say they will get behind the hire...or at least be optimistically skeptical.
 
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Volstylexx said:
There was only one name that was going to unite this fanbase... and if Hart didn't even call him until today???? Then NO, Hart doesn't get a chance.
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Wins will unite the fanbase. Excitement about a big name hire only lasts so long on its own merit.
 
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KCVolLaw said:
No worries. If I had bought in to the Gruden stuff then I would be emotional too.

There will prob be some fallout. But I think we will make a good hire. Not everyone will love the hire, but not everyone would have loved the Gruden hire either. I will give the fanbase the benefit of the doubt an say they will get behind the hire...or at least be optimistically skeptical.
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I'd be surprised, but I could be wrong as well. Dooley had most people's full support for about 2 1/2 years and never did a thing to deserve it. If we go the cheap route and hire another mid-major guy like Butch Jones there's going to be a lot of pissed of people. We already tried that three years ago and it ended in disaster. I'd like to think the AD could learn from some of the mistakes of his predecessor.
 
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KCVolLaw said:
Wins will unite the fanbase. Excitement about a big name hire only lasts so long on its own merit.
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True, but in the short term the AD needs to get ticket sales back up. Next year's awful home schedule probably isn't going to help matters. Without some reason for hope, I doubt you'll see a big change in attendance from what we saw this past year.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I'd honestly rather find out that he just stared at the wall in his office for a week and a half than find out he spent that time talking to people he wanted more than Gruden. Is he that dead set on making a point to the boosters that he'd intentionally hire an inferior candidate just to show them who's really calling the shots? I sure hope not.

Unless he's resurrected General Neyland, Bear Bryant, etc. and has them in his office, Gruden was the first person he should have talked to. From a strictly Wins and Losses standpoint, everyone other than Petrino is a MASSIVE step down from Gruden. Obviously Petrino comes with a lot of personal baggage that Gruden doesn't though.
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There is no proof whatsoever of what the boosters want. Nor is there any proof that Hart somehow wants to stick it to the boosters. Not sure where that comes from. Just because you and a lot of other posters thought Gruden is the next coming of the General doesn't mean the people in power shared that thought.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
True, but in the short term the AD needs to get ticket sales back up. Next year's awful home schedule probably isn't going to help matters. Without some reason for hope, I doubt you'll see a big change in attendance from what we saw this past year.
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Not counting this year's recruiting which will probably finish close to the bottom in the SEC.
 
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LOL, this sounds like the derek dooley keep me speech all over except for AD this time. he inherited a mess blah blah, make the right hire, save the program, don't embrass us in the process and make sure we return to national prominence and get a few national championships in the process or get out!!!!!!!!!!!! GO VOLS!!
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I'd be surprised, but I could be wrong as well. Dooley had most people's full support for about 2 1/2 years and never did a thing to deserve it. If we go the cheap route and hire another mid-major guy like Butch Jones there's going to be a lot of pissed of people. We already tried that three years ago and it ended in disaster. I'd like to think the AD could learn from some of the mistakes of his predecessor.
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If we hire Butch Jones I won't be thrilled either. Not bc he has similarities to Dooley but bc I've never been impressed with him. But I will wait and see what his program turns into before I do anything.

In response to your other post, I sincerely hope the fanbase comes out to games no matter who we hire. A new coach should give hope. And to he honest the AD needs the money badly.
 
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KCVolLaw said:
There is no proof whatsoever of what the boosters want. Nor is there any proof that Hart somehow wants to stick it to the boosters. Not sure where that comes from. Just because you and a lot of other posters thought Gruden is the next coming of the General doesn't mean the people in power shared that thought.
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I just can't think of any reason why Gruden wouldn't be at the top of his list other than just to show everyone who calls the shots. There's nothing wrong with Gruden telling you no, because honestly a SB winning coach is probably out of UT's (and almost every other college's) league. That's said, as AD you have to make him tell you no before you start talking to significantly inferior candidates.

Truth told I never really thought we would get Gruden, but I had put enough faith in the AD to think they would at least do their due diligence with him. From today's reports it's starting to look like they in fact didn't do that, and only contacted him as an afterthought That's both eye opening and embarrassing IMO.
 
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