Does NIL and Transfer Portal equal Parity in CFB

[S.C. OrangeMan]

The university has never paid Boosters always have.

All the individuals and businesses that contribute to NIL

Ergo it is play for pay

Not going to continue arguing with an idiot troll, you have to much experience.

So your response is childish namecalling??
That's meaningless.

You are arguing a false dilemma. Pre NIL boosters didn't get endorsements, as that's how they got themselves and the athletes they paid in trouble with the NCAA.

NIL is pay for endorsements, with contracts, it's out in the open, and the NCAA can't do anything about it now.

You are arguing two completely different situations as if they are the same. They are not. Ergo, NIL isn't pay for play no matter how disingenuously and illogically you claim that it is.

Your arrogance is unwarranted.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

OrangeMan's NIL definition above is correct. You can call it a 'wink-wink' pay for play if you want but there is no language in the NIL contract that states anything remotely to that. It is restitution paid for specific services.

You can say it all you want but legally you cannot prove an NIL deal is pay for play. And that's the way it has to be.

It may be but it isn't is my definition.

 

[Delmar]

So your response is childish namecalling??
That's meaningless.

You are arguing a false dilemma. Pre NIL boosters didn't get endorsements, as that's how they got themselves and the athletes they paid in trouble with the NCAA.

NIL is pay for endorsements, with contracts, it's out in the open, and the NCAA can't do anything about it now.

You are arguing two completely different situations as if they are the same. They are not. Ergo, NIL isn't pay for play no matter how disingenuously and illogically you claim that it is.

Your arrogance is unwarranted.

Semantics. I will repeat what I said earlier. Players are playing and they are earning money no matter how it goes in their pocket. NIL money for “endorsements”, cash from boosters or soon-to-be payments directly from the school. And if you don’t think the coaches of the school of your interest aren’t directing where the NIL money is going to the players they want, well I’ve got a bridge I’d like to sell you. I don’t care what the NIL “contract” says. A lot of that NIL money is coming from the boosters of said school just like the $100 handshakes and cars used to. Same money to play, different avenue. They just call it an “endorsement” now.

Think or call it whatever you like. The players are getting paid to play just with a different mechanism. Anything else is just word salad.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Semantics. I will repeat what I said earlier. Players are playing and they are earning money no matter how it goes in their pocket. NIL money for “endorsements”, cash from boosters or soon-to-be payments directly from the school. And if you don’t think the coaches of the school of your interest aren’t directing where the NIL money is going to the players they want, well I’ve got a bridge I’d like to sell you. I don’t care what the NIL “contract” says. A lot of that NIL money is coming from the boosters of said school just like the $100 handshakes and cars used to. Same money to play, different avenue. They just call it an “endorsement” now.

Think or call it whatever you like. The players are getting paid to play just with a different mechanism. Anything else is just word salad.

Nope. It's a false dilemma. You are arguing that two very different things are the same.

Again, if college athletes are getting paid to play, show me the line item for it in the University budget. I'm still waiting.
I will apparently need to increase my popcorn budget.

The courts disagree with your opinion and agree with mine.

As for direct player salaries for college athletes, that hasn't yet occurred. Speculation isn't fact.

 

[Delmar]

Nope. It's a false dilemma. You are arguing that two very different things are the same.

Again, if college athletes are getting paid to play, show me the line item for it in the University budget. I'm still waiting.
I will apparently need to increase my popcorn budget.

The courts disagree with your opinion and agree with mine.

As for direct player salaries for college athletes, that hasn't yet occurred. Speculation isn't fact.

And I’m waiting for you to refute any of the three mechanisms that I stated as being payments to the players. Don’t care about line items. Everybody with any sense knows how this is being done. Boosters don’t have to have line items with the school when they contribute to NIL collectives. And direct payments by the schools are coming. Write that down. Just a matter of time. Players are getting paid to play. End of discussion. Not going to waste my time debating it.

 

[swampfoxfan]

So your response is childish namecalling??
That's meaningless.

You are arguing a false dilemma. Pre NIL boosters didn't get endorsements, as that's how they got themselves and the athletes they paid in trouble with the NCAA.

NIL is pay for endorsements, with contracts, it's out in the open, and the NCAA can't do anything about it now.

You are arguing two completely different situations as if they are the same. They are not. Ergo, NIL isn't pay for play no matter how disingenuously and illogically you claim that it is.

Your arrogance is unwarranted.

And what about the endorsements you keep referring to, how many Bishop hoodies or automobile ads have you seen? There might be 5 people in the USA that doesn't realize that NIL isn't pay for play, I have found one of them.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Prove it.

Find me someone who can show he or she's made money from the money they've given to Spyre. If these were real financially viable deals the money given to Spyre would be "investments" that made returns. Instead they are "donations" though because these are money pit losing deals. It's pretty simple. Nationwide didn't seek "donations" to have Peyton rep them.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

I'm not implying anything you suggest will happen. I truly don't know what changes or how those processes impact the future which was my point. Revenue sharing is an additional unknown at this juncture from an impact standpoint. If anything, I lean more toward unfettered free agency occurring which further impacts the future rosters.

from the 2020 signing classes (Its worse than my perception since Portal / NIL implementation)

Alabama has lost 60% of that signing class before eligibility expired.
Arkansas lost 100%
Auburn lost 70%
Florida lost 75%
Georgia has lost 48%
Kentucky lost 70%
LSU lost 77%
Ole Miss lost 79%
Miss State lost 70%
Missouri lost 77%
Oklahoma lost 83%
S Carolina lost 67%
Tennessee lost 65%
Texas lost 70%
Texas A&M lost 69%
Vanderbilt lost 79%

My additional point in my OP is that recruiting high school players has already become meaningless due to "free agency".

In Georgia and Alabama's case especially alot of their "losses" before eligibility expired were to the NFL, rather than the transfer portal, and the extra COVID year has inflated the number of people with unexpired eligibility. There's been alot of guys who went pro after 4 and 5 years of college during this COVID affected time that still had eligibility left. Without that COVID year, all these percentages would be lower.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

And I’m waiting for you to refute any of the three mechanisms that I stated as being payments to the players. Don’t care about line items. Everybody with any sense knows how this is being done. Boosters don’t have to have line items with the school when they contribute to NIL collectives. And direct payments by the schools are coming. Write that down. Just a matter of time. Players are getting paid to play. End of discussion. Not going to waste my time debating it.

So you don't care about the only facts that matter. Got it. More popcorn popping.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

And what about the endorsements you keep referring to, how many Bishop hoodies or automobile ads have you seen? There might be 5 people in the USA that doesn't realize that NIL isn't pay for play, I have found one of them.

False Dilemma. What you haven't looked up in Google doesn't matter.

 

[LWSVOL]

In Georgia and Alabama's case especially alot of their "losses" before eligibility expired were to the NFL, rather than the transfer portal, and the extra COVID year has inflated the number of people with unexpired eligibility. There's been alot of guys who went pro after 4 and 5 years of college during this COVID affected time that still had eligibility left. Without that COVID year, all these percentages would be lower.

When I'm tracking this attrition, I do not count players leaving early to NFL as attrition. I view them as someone that did complete eligibility. I've kept it that way since starting this 20 years ago.

As far as the COVID year, I also treated players that decided to NOT play a sixth year as completing eligibility. It was an option for player and schools so I didn't wish to distort the percentages.

FYI

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

When I'm tracking this attrition, I do not count players leaving early to NFL as attrition. I view them as someone that did complete eligibility. I've kept it that way since starting this 20 years ago.

As far as the COVID year, I also treated players that decided to NOT play a sixth year as completing eligibility. It was an option for player and schools so I didn't wish to distort the percentages.

FYI

I should have known considering it was you who posted. Those numbers are truly startling then.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Find me someone who can show he or she's made money from the money they've given to Spyre. If these were real financially viable deals the money given to Spyre would be "investments" that made returns. Instead they are "donations" though because these are money pit losing deals. It's pretty simple. Nationwide didn't seek "donations" to have Peyton rep them.

Red Herring. The people that buy endorsed merch or that donate money do it willingly.

It's not about you.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Red Herring. The people that buy endorsed merch or that donate money do it willingly.

It's not a out you.

I don't need an out, you however are sounding dumber and dumber with every post or more pants on fire intellectually dishonest, take your pick. Spyre solicits funds because the deals are money pits, i.e., not financially viable on their own. They need fans who are willing to lose money to finance them. It's not a secret, nor is it illegal, so I'm not sure why your so upset by this reality anyway. Either way, you being upset by it, and denying it, won't change the reality of it.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I don't need an out, you however are sounding dumber and dumber with every post or more pants on fire intellectually dishonest, take your pick. Spyre solicits funds because the deals are money pits, i.e., not financially viable on their own. They need fans who are willing to lose money to finance them. It's not a secret, nor is it illegal, so I'm not sure why your so upset by this reality anyway. Either way, you being upset by it, and denying it, won't change the reality of it.

Wrong again, Skippy. Spyre makes deals based on potentiall earnings. They have every right to do that, as dies every other NIL collective.

I'm not upset at all. In fact, I'm LMAO that get their panties in a wad crying about "pay for play". That entire line if thought us meaningless. Check the federal court decisions for the evidence.

Oh, and stop projecting.

 

[DaddyChad]

No parity. Portal will make a select few teams even better. However I do think the portal and NIL will neutralize the NCAA advantage some teams had like Bama. NCAA were the watchdogs for any wrong doing unless you were some of the teams.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Wrong again, Skippy. Spyre makes deals based on oite tisl earnings. They have every right to do that, as dies every other NIL collective.

I'm not upset at all. In fact, I'm LMAO that get their panties in a wad crying about "pay for play". That entire line if thought us meaningless. Check the federal court decisions for the evidence.

Oh, and stop projecting.

Yep, an even dumber post from you. What are "oite tisl" earnings?

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Yep, an even dumber post from you. What are "oite tisl" earnings?

Anyone with two or more brain cells to rub together understands that it's a typographical error. I edited the connection correct it.

It's pretty funny that you are obsessed with meaningless things.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Anyone with two or more brain cells to rub together understands that it's a typographical error. I edited the connection correct it.

It's pretty funny that you are obsessed with meaningless things.

All I gotta say is if you believe what are saying on this subject, you've got to be the dumbest sumbich alive.

 

[Rockytop10nessee]

I don't see Smart trending down at all.

Puts players in the NFL and can recruit.

It’d be nice to see the nfl come calling but I don’t think he’s interested

 

[Rockytop10nessee]

Please tell me you don’t really believe that.

Legally that’s exactly what it is.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

All I gotta say is if you believe what are saying on this subject, you've got to be the dumbest sumbich alive.

As Hominems...the first refuge of people that are incapable of debating factually and honestly.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

As Hominems...the first refuge of people that are incapable of debating factually and honestly.

Debating factually and honestly is what you are not doing, you are just gaslighting and trying to tell people the sky isn't blue and that they are crazy. And you made this personal long before I did with your little smart azz remarks that you make through your keyboard and would get punched in the face for in person.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Legally that’s exactly what it is.

Y'all aren't this stupid, these are not viable transactions for both sides and you damn well know it, the donor/school side is losing money hand over fist, but it's okay because we want these players on our team and are willing to lose some money for the emotional return of the Vols being really good (hopefully). That's the reality and it's legal now.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Debating factually and honestly is what you are not doing, you are just gaslighting and trying to tell people the sky isn't blue and that they are crazy. And you made this personal long before I did with your little smart azz remarks that you make through your keyboard and would get punched in the face for in person.

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Again, the legal definition is on my side, and it's the only one that matters.

LMAO at your willingness to resort to a physical attack when your bogus claims are pointed out.

Gaslighting? LMAO. I'm not the one trying to put words in other people's mouths here, Skippy. You are.

That's a classic, keyboard warrior empty threat.

Your claims that I'm the one that made this personal are , too.

You are an embarrassment to Tennessee fans everywhere. No thanks to you for reinforcing the stereotypes.