Does this change the East picture?

#26
#26
Hardwood_fanatic said:
It depends on if you're talking about the PG as a position, or just players who played in the PG position. Evans isn't a true PG, IMO. Each player can do something the others can't, but all in all I agree Wall is not the best player at the point position that Calipari has coached.
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Isn't Evans a SG in the NBA?

I was referencing players who played PG under Calipari, FWIW.
 
#28
#28
braths said:
Isn't Evans a SG in the NBA?

I was referencing players who played PG under Calipari, FWIW.
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Yeah, thats what I'm talking about is players playing PG under Cal. Rose, Evans, and Wall all three played point guard. I was basically questioning (not you... but in general) whether the question at hand is best "point guard" or best player that "played" PG. Because there is a difference, IMO.

I think Wall is #3 out of that group if its judged by best player.
 
#29
#29
Hardwood_fanatic said:
Yeah, thats what I'm talking about is players playing PG under Cal. Rose, Evans, and Wall all three played point guard. I was basically questioning (not you... but in general) whether the question at hand is best "point guard" or best player that "played" PG. Because there is a difference, IMO.

I think Wall is #3 out of that group if its judged by best player.
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Agreed. Judging on the best player to "play" PG between the other two, Rose has the upper hand on Evans, IMO.
 
#30
#30
HFan, would you trade the whole signing class this year for Wall/ Cousins to be Sophomores? (Not forever, just as the product you put on the court this year. Obviously you couldnt/wouldnt forfeit a whole grad class.)
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#31
#31
hatvol96 said:
Anyone who thinks Wall is better than Rose or Evans is straight up dumb.
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I watched Magic Johnson say it on TV with my own eyeballs. Even in your megalomaniacal mind, I hope you don't think you know more about basketball than Magic Johnson...
 
#32
#32
PoochPunt3rdDown said:
I watched Magic Johnson say it on TV with my own eyeballs. Even in your megalomaniacal mind, I hope you don't think you know more about basketball than Magic Johnson...
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You mean the Magic Johnson whose personnel evaluations as a coach the Lakers were so bad the franchise relegated him to being essentially a mascot? When Wall turns out to be a shadow of the pro that Rose and Evans are, that simply means I'll have to call you and Johnson both idiots.
 
#33
#33
PoochPunt3rdDown said:
I watched Magic Johnson say it on TV with my own eyeballs. Even in your megalomaniacal mind, I hope you don't think you know more about basketball than Magic Johnson...
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You're right. Great players are always brilliant in their personnel evaluations. That explains Michael Jordan trading Rip Hamilton and drafting Kwame Brown #1 and all those titles Elgin Baylor won with the Clippers.
 
#36
#36
hatvol96 said:
You're right. Great players are always brilliant in their personnel evaluations. That explains Michael Jordan trading Rip Hamilton and drafting Kwame Brown #1 and all those titles Elgin Baylor won with the Clippers.
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Yeah that worked out great. He might have a shot with Charlotte if he can convince Brown to stay a few more years though
 
#38
#38
hatvol96 said:
You're right. Great players are always brilliant in their personnel evaluations. That explains Michael Jordan trading Rip Hamilton and drafting Kwame Brown #1 and all those titles Elgin Baylor won with the Clippers.
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On the other hand, Zeke has proven to be an absolute genius.
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#40
#40
hatvol96 said:
The Logo has certainly been the exception to the rule among great players in front office positions.
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Really has, but there's little nuance to his evaluation. He's about loading up and hiring a great coach if he can.

I honestly think Barkley is better at it than Magic and friends.
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#41
#41
BigPapaVol said:
Really has, but there's little nuance to his evaluation. He's about loading up and hiring a great coach if he can.

I honestly think Barkley is better at it than Magic and friends.
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If Magic was a decent talent evaluator, he would have been Zeke From Cabin Creek's successor with the Lakers.
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#42
#42
hatvol96 said:
If Magic was a decent talent evaluator, he would have been Zeke From Cabin Creek's successor with the Lakers.
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Magic was a great player and floor leader, but he won't be asked to design rockets any time soon.
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#46
#46
Agreed LOL. I was just throwin that out there. Did you ever answer my hypothetical Q. Trade Lamb,Knight,Jones,ect for Wall and Cousins? Strictly for this years product. Disregarding any carry over effects.
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#47
#47
Orangekush423 said:
Agreed LOL. I was just throwin that out there. Did you ever answer my hypothetical Q. Trade Lamb,Knight,Jones,ect for Wall and Cousins? Strictly for this years product. Disregarding any carry over effects.
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Thats hard to answer even hypothetically because that would barely leave us enough bodies to fill out a decent roster.

The starting line-up would resemble this:

Cousins
Harrellson
Miller
Dodson/liggins
Wall


With absolutely no depth, Wall and Cousins couldn't carry that team alone. So the answer is no, I would trade this whole recruiting class to keep those two players. Now, Hypothetically, Had Orton and Bledsoe stayed like it seemed they would in the beginning... then thats a different story.

This is why I hate hypothetical conversations.
 
#50
#50
He is a great point guard and will have a great NBA career, but it is a stretch to say he is the best player ever.
 
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