Dominique Strauss-Kahn

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utgibbs said:
Almost nothing correct since my post. So, consistency rules.

The "rafters" (I forget the Spanish) are simply the 10 - 15% of every population who are "Wal-Mart stampeders". I think every culture in the world has about 10 - 15% of their population who need no marketing to feel consumer culture is the "end of history". These makes up the majority of the expats in South Florida, the rest being terrorists harbored by the US.

We could ask Elian Gonzalez how he feels about it all now:

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Awesome - the people that risk their lives to leave Cuba are mindless simpletons or terrorists.

Might as well shoot them or imprison them permanently - it's for their own good.

Hail, hail authentic democracy!
 
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volinbham said:
Awesome - the people that risk their lives to leave Cuba are mindless simpletons or terrorists.

Might as well shoot them or imprison them permanently - it's for their own good.

Hail, hail authentic democracy!
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Not mindless, but certainly those who value consumer culture above all else. The numbers are about 10 - 15% in every society and culture it seems.

It takes your discipline to beef those numbers up, and it's why your discipline is so vital to the entire enterprise.

Who has shot or imprisoned the rafters? I believe Castro, especially in the past, has pleaded with the US to accept the number of Visas we said we would honor.
 
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MontereyVol said:
How can you scale back from never being there in the first place.
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They were there. Health care, education, housing, pensions, etc. were all near first world levels. They were not rich by any means. They did not enjoy pluralism (neither do we, btw). They did better, by a long margin, than Russia when the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia adopted the "market Bolshevism" from the IMF.
 
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utgibbs said:
Not mindless, but certainly those who value consumer culture above all else. The numbers are about 10 - 15% in every society and culture it seems.

It takes your discipline to beef those numbers up, and it's why your discipline is so vital to the entire enterprise.

Who has shot or imprisoned the rafters? I believe Castro, especially in the past, has pleaded with the US to accept the number of Visas we said we would honor.
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I was referring metaphorically to your attitude towards people that don't share your world view - you treat them with disdain.
 
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utgibbs said:
They were there. Health care, education, housing, pensions, etc. were all near first world levels. They were not rich by any means. They did not enjoy pluralism (neither do we, btw). They did better, by a long margin, than Russia when the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia adopted the "market Bolshevism" from the IMF.
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What about the massive class difference that exists there? Or are you just reading about how well Elian and Sean Penn have been treated.
 
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MontereyVol said:
What about the massive class difference that exists there? Or are you just reading about how well Elian and Sean Penn have been treated.
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Might want to check your GINI index there.

There is universal agreement the Revolution brought equality and successfully fought the systemic racism, especially for the black population, endemic before 1959.
 
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volinbham said:
I was referring metaphorically to your attitude towards people that don't share your world view - you treat them with disdain.
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I'm not sure where you get this idea from. I disagree, sometimes strongly, but I seem to be admitting that all cultures have a small, but vocal segment of the population who, without any help from your discipline, believe "the freedom to choose what color tie to wear" is the #1 value in life. I don't agree, and most on here would not agree as well. Although many on here would rank it higher than me, I'm sure. That I argue my points so effectively is not disdain, but simply recognition that the real world ALWAYS has the veto.


If anything, I recognize this is the truth, and I am thinking how to meet this constituency's desires. I think authentic education, and maybe even your discipline, applied not to the interest of Capital, but to the interest of People, would work wonders.

Making cheap and selling dear is coming to an end. We all know this; there is more than enough worry expressed on this board about it. It is, frankly, just common sense. Not all of us are ready to face up to it yet, but all of us know it is coming. The proliferation of cheap tat (and the half trillion spent to make sure it sells) has been the biggest misallocation of resources in, as far as we know, the history of the universe. That is not to say there aren't consumables which all agree make life more convivial - the microchip being the most recent example. However, Quality and Value and Planning are the watchwords of the New World which must be born.
 
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cheap tat? I have not frequented the politics boards but thought it was funny from the Fulmer thread to read about what was being said here.

UtGibbs I am having a hard time telling what your worldview is. Are you telling me that a country whose cars are primarily POS from the Soviet Union or American greatness from the 50s lovingly cared for is modern?

I once had a professor in law school who wanted me to write about how incredible the educational system in Cuba was. I confronted her that those touting its amazing statistics were getting their information from...the Cuban government. Cuba is not Haiti, but that is because its primary influences culturally are marginally better. It is not in any way, shape or form in competition with the U.S.

The U.S. suffers economically from corporate welfare and a political class that is largely bought and paid for. Whether it is serving Archer Daniels Midland, BP or Goldman Sachs (and foreign banks) the political class is failing, not the system of capitalism it perverts to its own ends.
 
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utgibbs said:
Might want to check your GINI index there.

There is universal agreement the Revolution brought equality and successfully fought the systemic racism, especially for the black population, endemic before 1959.
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You want me to check an Index for real world class structure in nations?

Who or what do you constitute as universal?
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
cheap tat? I have not frequented the politics boards but thought it was funny from the Fulmer thread to read about what was being said here.

UtGibbs I am having a hard time telling what your worldview is. Are you telling me that a country whose cars are primarily POS from the Soviet Union or American greatness from the 50s lovingly cared for is modern?
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Cars are the bane of the future - a poison. They are among the greatest misallocation of resources in the history of the universe. They are the least convivial invention of the last 100 years. Maintaining those cars so lovingly is another example of Cuban greatness.

Americans go to Cuba for the education - especially future medical doctors.
 
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And after reading your post I thought I forgot the definition of convivial, so I looked it up in four different dictionaries. The word can't apply to cars.
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MG1968 said:
nice try, but trying to argue with someone who thinks Cuba is a swell place and Che was a misunderstood saint is pointless.
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I don't think I've ever praised Che, MG. I've been honest about his record, and dismissed the gsvol hyperbole. I think it is easy to love and admire martyrs, but I find that 50 years of work building a new model for social metabolic reproduction much, much, much more interesting.
 
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Kahn and the Obamas in 2009.

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utgibbs said:
How has Cuba not been a success? Especially given the antagonisms it has had to endure?
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If you consider the fact that the Castro brothers
and Che executed more of their own citizens on a
per capita basis who didn't escape that Stalin did,
then you have the model of a huge success.










utgibbs said:
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I think every culture in the world has about 10 - 15% of their population who need no marketing to feel consumer culture is the "end of history".


These makes up the majority of the expats in South Florida, the rest being terrorists harbored by the US.

We could ask Elian Gonzalez how he feels about it all now:
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The 10 to 15% you speak of in the Soviet Union
were the communist party members who could shop
in the communist party store and get all the caviar
and Danish hams they wanted while the nonparty
members had to stand in line all day to get one loaf
of bread and consider themselves lucky if they got
one.

You don't know the expats of S Florida the way I
do, that's for damned sure.

As for Elian, you must be a huge fan of that damned
creep Eric Holder who sent in a swat team, in violation
of a court order to sieze the kid and send him back to
that hell hole you call a success story.






volinbham said:
I was referring metaphorically to your attitude towards people that don't share your world view - you treat them with disdain.
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utgibbs said:
Cars are the bane of the future - a poison. They are among the greatest misallocation of resources in the history of the universe. They are the least convivial invention of the last 100 years. Maintaining those cars so lovingly is another example of Cuban greatness.

Americans go to Cuba for the education - especially future medical doctors.
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That's why Fidel went to Spain to get his surgery!!

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