Donald Trump joins birthers!

[gsvol]

In an interview with ABC Trump said he has doubts about Obama's birthplace and said he finds it strange "nobody knew" Obama as a young child in Hawaii.

He also raises several questions about Obama's secret history.

Reported also by CNN and FOX.

 

[lawgator1]

In an interview with ABC Trump said he has doubts about Obama's birthplace and said he finds it strange "nobody knew" Obama as a young child in Hawaii.

He also raises several questions about Obama's secret history.

Reported also by CNN and FOX.

No shock that a GOP hopeful would at this point cater to the eccentric right fantasy world, is it?

 

[Vol Mania 21]

LG, trust me most conservatives do not believe this garbage.

 

[lawgator1]

LG, trust me most conservatives do not believe this garbage.

I know. Seems to me that the number that really do believe it pales in comparison to the number that bring it up from time to time just to antagonize the rest of us.

 

[MG1968]

I know. Seems to me that the number that really do believe it pales in comparison to the number that bring it up from time to time just to antagonize the rest of us.

I figured you'd have called gsvol a racist, or hinted that both he an Trump were card carrying members of the Klan.

 

[azVolFan]

No shock that a GOP hopeful would at this point cater to the eccentric right fantasy world, is it?

I've said before that I do believe Obama was born in Hawaii. That being said, why call it "eccentric right fantasy world" when Obama could simply produce the hidden birth certificate? This "eccentric right fantasy world" has been created by Obama, not the right.

 

[sjt18]

No shock that a GOP hopeful would at this point cater to the eccentric right fantasy world, is it?

Yes. It is strange. Even those who have serious questions about Obama's birth place lack the courage to say so.

How is it "fantasy" considering Obama continues to refuse his personal records to include his birth certificate? I believe we've had access to this level of personal info on every other modern president.

If he's a natural born citizen then there is no good reason not to provide the birth certificate. So far the "hard proof" is on the side of the "birthers"- namely Obama's refusal to provide the documents and info. You are the one who "fantasizes" that all must be well even though Obama hasn't even answered the question directly.

If this had been George Bush, you would be demanding impeachment based on nothing but his refusal to provide proof.

FWIW, he may soon have no choice. Some states are drafting laws that would require proof of Constitutional qualifications to get on the ballot.

 

[sjt18]

I've said before that I do believe Obama was born in Hawaii. That being said, why call it "eccentric right fantasy world" when Obama could simply produce the hidden birth certificate? This "eccentric right fantasy world" has been created by Obama, not the right.

I do not know where Obama was born... I do strongly suspect that any birth certificate that might be offered will say he was born in Hawaii. That's just the way things work in the urban Dem machines.

 

[WA_Vol]

Had a chance to listen to cuts from the interview with him, interesting guy with some interesting opinions. I don't agree with this issue, but he had some other interesting opinions.

 

[gsvol]

No shock that a GOP hopeful would at this point cater to the eccentric right fantasy world, is it?

Assume fetal position, place thumb in mouth, suck hard!

Since you are such a know it all, perhaps you can explain Obama's first executive order that sealed all his personal records about everything he had ever been involved in??

There must be some reason for that, what do you think that reason is??

Do you think there is something he is hiding, if not, then why the EO?

LG, trust me most conservatives do not believe this garbage.

The so-called 'birthers' have been ridiculed and vilified unjustly, they could be more properly called constitutionalists.

That said, there is a growing number who label themselves as 'proofers'.

They are like the little lady in the fast food commercial; "Where's the beef?"

Oh, and a funny thing, one recent poll had Charlie Sheen leading Barack Obama by 4 points in a hypothectical one on one 2012 election.

I've said before that I do believe Obama was born in Hawaii. That being said, why call it "eccentric right fantasy world" when Obama could simply produce the hidden birth certificate? This "eccentric right fantasy world" has been created by Obama, not the right.

He can't produce it because it doesn't exist according the governor of Hawaii.

He has spent about $2 million in legal fees avoiding the issue on technical grounds.

What leads you to believe he was born in Hawaii??

I do not know where Obama was born... I do strongly suspect that any birth certificate that might be offered will say he was born in Hawaii. That's just the way things work in the urban Dem machines.

Another can of worms is Obama's SSN, (or perhaps several SSNs), are you up on that??

You can google up; "Obama bogus SSN" for a lot of opinion and perhaps some facts on that.

Here is one theory:
Obama’s Social Security number | Obama Conspiracy Theories

There are two afidavits in court records signed by credible men who state that Obama's grandmother stated she was at the birth of Obama and that was in Kenya which would disqualify him for the American presidency.

FWIW, he may soon have no choice. Some states are drafting laws that would require proof of Constitutional qualifications to get on the ballot.

That's going nowhere even if those states get it on the books (and they shouldn't even have to, it's a federal constitutional issue,) those are states where Obama will never get even one electorial vote.

It could be an issue that may have an affect on the race should obama run again and there is no reason to believe he won't get the dhimi nomination.

Here is how that stands, state by state:

NE - LB 654 hearing held as of 3/10/11.

HI - HB1116 Rida Cabanilla (D!) intro'd bill 1/11 to supply BC for "persons of civic prominence" upon request and $100 fee.

MO - Failed in '09. Trying again, HB 283 hearing held as of 3/1/11.

TX - HB 295 intro'd 11/10, in committee as of 2/15

TN - SB 1043 intro'd 1/11, in committee as of 2/23.

OK - Failed in '08. Trying again as of 2/11.
OK - SB91 advanced to House for consideration as of 3/14.

CT - SB 391 intro'd 1/11. In committee.

IA - SF 369, intro'd 3/11. In committee.

GA - Failed in '10. (HB 1516). Failed in '11 (HB 401).

MT - HB 205 intro'd 1/11. "Missed Deadline for General Bill Transmittal"

AZ - Failed in '10 - passed house, senate refused to vote. Tried in 2/11, died in senate committee.

IN - Intro'd 1/11. Died in committee.

NH - Intro'd 3/11. Died in committee.

Had a chance to listen to cuts from the interview with him, interesting guy with some interesting opinions. I don't agree with this issue, but he had some other interesting opinions.

So what is your opinion on the actual issue??

Are you saying you have no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii?? If so, why do you say that??

Do you think that the president (I use the term very loosely) who promised use the most transparent administration in American history should seal every last little detail about his whole life except that which he uses of political purposes??

(And much of that ghost written by William Ayers whose wife Dohrn specialized if fake IDs [plus planting bombs] during the weatherman era.)

Would you like a peek at his passport records??

 

[CSVol]

I'm relatively new so sorry if this has been asked: gsvol, do you think we landed on the moon?

 

[MG1968]

I'm relatively new so sorry if this has been asked: gsvol, do you think we landed on the moon?

even Art Bell thinks we landed on the moon. When a conspiracy theory is too wacky for Art Bell, you know it's way out on the fringe.

 

[azVolFan]

He can't produce it because it doesn't exist according the governor of Hawaii.

He has spent about $2 million in legal fees avoiding the issue on technical grounds.

What leads you to believe he was born in Hawaii??

I saw on O'Reilly that there was a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper announcing Obama's birth. I think is also the reason Glenn Beck gives as to why he is not a "birther".

Does this not actually exist?

If it does exist, I do think it's pretty compelling. No way anyone could know he would be president.

 

[WA_Vol]

So what is your opinion on the actual issue??

Are you saying you have no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii?? If so, why do you say that??

Do you think that the president (I use the term very loosely) who promised use the most transparent administration in American history should seal every last little detail about his whole life except that which he uses of political purposes??

(And much of that ghost written by William Ayers whose wife Dohrn specialized if fake IDs [plus planting bombs] during the weatherman era.)

Would you like a peek at his passport records??

It's in the constitution that the U.S. President must be born in the United States.
He had to submit a ceritificate of live birth in order to run for the Presidency.
If they were able to confirm it how do you get around that?
They would have been able to determine if it was a forged document.

Obama's birth was in both of Hawaii's newspapers in 1961.

 

[MG1968]

this issue is as much a loser for the right as GWB's military service was for the left

all Obama has to do is authorize the public release of his birth certificate and the issue goes away, however, he is playing a smart political game by not doing so. Meanwhile, he has an apologetic press corps (pronounced "core") that can use the birthers as a convenient brush to paint all right of center opposition to Obama as racist, etc. (eg. Lawgator1)

 

[azVolFan]

this issue is as much a loser for the right as GWB's military service was for the left

all Obama has to do is authorize the public release of his birth certificate and the issue goes away, however, he is playing a smart political game by not doing so. Meanwhile, he has an apologetic press corps (pronounced "core") that can use the birthers as a convenient brush to paint all right of center opposition to Obama as racist, etc. (eg. Lawgator1)

I can see that, pretty smart.

 

[gsvol]

Only 9% believe Obama has documented eligibility

"The shocking result in this survey is that just
9 percent said they believe Obama has met the
requirements to prove he was born in the United
States and is therefore qualified to be president,"
said Fritz Wenzel, president of Wenzel Strategies,
which conducted the survey.

"Even when you combine those who say such
questions are not valid with those who believe
he has satisfied the requirements, it still falls
short of equaling the percentage who said he
should step forward and prove his birth origin
once and for all," he said.
-----------------------------

"What is most interesting is the response on
this question of Independent voters: Fully 61
percent of Independents said they want Obama
to prove once and for all his birth origin, which
is a higher percentage than even among
Republicans. Men are also somewhat more
skeptical than women," Wenzel said.
----------------------------

A corollary issue to the Obama birth certificate
is the question about Obama's refusal to release
educational records, which could hold some clue
as to his birth origin and early citizenship," Wenzel
said. "Two-thirds of all respondents want those
records released, while the other third of respondents
oppose the release of those records. It remains
unclear why Obama will not comply with any
requests to show those records to the public."
----------------------------------

The bottom line on these early-life records of
Obama is that this issue lives on, regardless of
how derisive some have been toward the so-
called 'birther' movement," Wenzel said. "Obama
supporters, particularly those in the national news
media who have protected the president on this
issue, have tried to ostracize those who still
have doubts about Obama's birth, but try as
they might, they have done little to quell the
questions in the minds of the American public.

This issue is far from over."

 

[sjt18]

this issue is as much a loser for the right as GWB's military service was for the left

all Obama has to do is authorize the public release of his birth certificate and the issue goes away, however, he is playing a smart political game by not doing so. Meanwhile, he has an apologetic press corps (pronounced "core") that can use the birthers as a convenient brush to paint all right of center opposition to Obama as racist, etc. (eg. Lawgator1)

Possibly but it would also be a dangerous game. GS poo-poohed the efforts to pass eligibility laws at the state level. Candidates still have to qualify state by state. It only takes one of those states to force Obama out in the open. Most believe he's a citizen and those who don't won't vote for him anyway. If he produces valid documents... ho-hum. If he refuses to produce them then it will cost him all of the purple states. If the problem is some other embarrassing fact as some have suggested then the sooner it is revealed, the sooner it is forgotten. Other than being born outside the US there is nothing that could possibly be on his birth certificate that would not be forgiven.

The only winning move for him IMO is to release the records now... assuming he is a natural born citizen.

 

[lawgator1]

Possibly but it would also be a dangerous game. GS poo-poohed the efforts to pass eligibility laws at the state level. Candidates still have to qualify state by state. It only takes one of those states to force Obama out in the open. Most believe he's a citizen and those who don't won't vote for him anyway. If he produces valid documents... ho-hum. If he refuses to produce them then it will cost him all of the purple states. If the problem is some other embarrassing fact as some have suggested then the sooner it is revealed, the sooner it is forgotten. Other than being born outside the US there is nothing that could possibly be on his birth certificate that would not be forgiven.

The only winning move for him IMO is to release the records now... assuming he is a natural born citizen.

No matter what is produced people will proclaim it insufficient. There is no value to him playing into the nutjobs' wheelhouse on this. Anyone who buys into the crackpots about this issue would never vote for him anyway.

 

[shortgameVol]

In an interview with ABC Trump said he has doubts about Obama's birthplace and said he finds it strange "nobody knew" Obama as a young child in Hawaii.

He also raises several questions about Obama's secret history.

Reported also by CNN and FOX.

Why would anyone care what Trump thinks??? He is a loudmouth blowhard

 

[sjt18]

No matter what is produced people will proclaim it insufficient.

You keep trying this ridiculous deflection. It simply isn't true for many people. Some people will keep on but it would resolve the issue for many more. Why won't he do it LG?

There is no value to him playing into the nutjobs' wheelhouse on this. Anyone who buys into the crackpots about this issue would never vote for him anyway.

Wait. It is "nutjob" to want to be sure that a sitting President is lawfully qualified for the job? Remember this came up because family members said he was born in Kenya... not because "crackpots" made it up. Again, there is absolutely no good reason for him to withhold his BC unless it does not say he was born in Hawaii. No one would blame him for anything else that might be discovered.

 

[therealUT]

Is it not just a little ridiculous in this era where international adoption and immigration is so rampant that the birth clause has not been amended?
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[sjt18]

Is it not just a little ridiculous in this era where international adoption and immigration is so rampant that the birth clause has not been amended?
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Maybe. But until it is we should follow the law of the land... or else we descend into the masses ruled by men rather than law. Same reason Clinton should have been removed from office. We know he committed at least one felony and one serious misdemeanor (sexual harrassment).

We ignore the law too often and to our peril as a free nation that protects the rights, liberties, and lives of its people.

 

[therealUT]

Maybe. But until it is we should follow the law of the land... or else we descend into the masses ruled by men rather than law. Same reason Clinton should have been removed from office. We know he committed at least one felony and one serious misdemeanor (sexual harrassment).

We ignore the law too often and to our peril as a free nation that protects the rights, liberties, and lives of its people.

The entire thought process behind "the rule of law" is ridiculous, insulting, and hearkens back to the 17th and 18th century bourgeousie and their demands to have the towns sanitized of "delinquents and vagabonds".
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[CSVol]

The only winning move for him IMO is to release the records now... assuming he is a natural born citizen.

Do you honestly belive:

1. The powers that be, e.g. the US Supreme Court, haven't been provided with proof of citizenship. If so, you're basically saying they just said 'meh, if the guy wants to run, let him run.' You cannot believe just anyone can run without proper documentation.

2. That if there was anything even resembling impropriety the Clinton camp wouldn't have run with it. They are a master political machine and lack of proper documentation would have been the gift that kept on giving during the primaries.

Let. It. Go.