Donald Trump joins birthers!

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Barack Obama -- Social Security Numbers

The question is being raised amid speculation about Obama's history fueled by an extraordinary lack of public documentation. Along with his original birth certificate, Obama also has not released educational records, scholarly articles, passport documents, medical records, papers from his service in the Illinois state Senate, Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and adoption papers.
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Some very interesting reading in the link above.
 
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therealUT said:
Good to see that you are using peer-reviewed and/or reputable reporting services for your information.
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Good to see that your first question was not "is this true?" but instead "How can I impugn the source?"
 
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CSVol said:
If I recall from civics class, all federally elected posts, e.g. Senator, Congressman, etc, have qualifications.
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Answers to your questions:

I don't know who if anyone actually collects proof documents for the qualifications. It would not be SCOTUS. It could be the Fed Elections Commission but those documents would be public record.

If the Clintons had won by disqualifying Obama then that would have followed them into the general election. Some from the Obama camp and GOP would have made the point that she couldn't even beat Obama straight up. She most definitely would have lost enthusiasm with the black community and others that supported Obama strongly.
 
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If no documentation is needed (wonder why qualifications are listed in the constitution) then why is it now such an issue?
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Probably because there was no question before or at least recently. Moreover, we do not live in an era when politicians are or can be trusted. Obama is a very deceptive person.
 
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I had to produce my BC with the stamp when I got my TN license.

It wasn't hard.

I wasn't running for POTUS either.

Just saying.
 
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The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues | Western Journalism.com

Researchers have discovered that Obama’s autobiographical books are little more than PR stunts, as they have little to do with the actual events of his life. The fact is we know less about President Obama than perhaps any other president in American history and much of this is due to actual efforts to hide his record.

This should concern all Americans.

A nation-wide network of researchers has sprung up to attempt to fill in the blanks, but at every opportunity Obama’s high-priced lawyers have built walls around various records or simply made them disappear. It is estimated that Obama’s legal team has now spent well over $1.4 million dollars blocking access to documents every American should have access to.

The question is why would he spend so much money to do this?

The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.

What is he hiding?

Well, for starters, some of these records will shed light on his citizenship and birth.
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The above link is well worth reading, there are many questions raised, of particular interest to me is the possible link to the Royal House of Saud.
 
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sjt18 said:
Good to see that your first question was not "is this true?" but instead "How can I impugn the source?"
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Seeing that it is only posted on a website called "The Obama Files" and it links only to another anti-Obama website (not to any credible news source), then I will take the position that the information is unreliable. Do I think Obama should be treated as innocent until proven guilty? Well, what do you know, I do. Websites are easy to create; facts are easy to misrepresent; the courts across America can weigh the actual evidence and the credibility of said evidence. Until then, I will view this website and these persons as biased with an agenda to smear the POTUS.
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gsvol said:
The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues | Western Journalism.com



The above link is well worth reading, there are many questions raised, of particular interest to me is the possible link to the Royal House of Saud.
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There could be things he is hiding. They could be personal. I don't give a damn. He should be judged and evaluated on his presidential policies, not on his personal life and/or his past.
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therealUT said:
There could be things he is hiding. They could be personal. I don't give a damn. He should be judged and evaluated on his presidential policies, not on his personal life and/or his past.
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+1. History's judgment is going to be harsh.
 
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therealUT said:
Seeing that it is only posted on a website called "The Obama Files" and it links only to another anti-Obama website (not to any credible news source), then I will take the position that the information is unreliable. Do I think Obama should be treated as innocent until proven guilty? Well, what do you know, I do. Websites are easy to create; facts are easy to misrepresent; the courts across America can weigh the actual evidence and the credibility of said evidence. Until then, I will view this website and these persons as biased with an agenda to smear the POTUS.
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IOW's, "I don't want to know because it might not be favorable for my guy and I don't think the rule is a good one anyway", right?
 
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sjt18 said:
Ridiculous... and very dangerous statement. Rule of law is PREREQUISITE for justice, rights, and freedom. Unless you are delusional enough to believe that we can find much less elect people so morally good and devoid of selfish motives that they will rule with consistent justice, you MUST have rule of law.

You have just provided a glimpse into the liberal mind though. Many liberals deny that they oppose rule of law... you appear to relish in it.
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Bump to therealUT. I am waiting for you to show how you can have a civilized and free society without rule of law.

This whole debate is about just that- Rule of Law. Do we abide by the laws that we have accepted through the process we've accepted or do we ignore the law when it suits us.

Remember therealUT, when you go this route it cuts both ways. If the letter of the law is not followed for this then you have no basis for complaining when something goes against you.

Without rule of law your are left with two options: totalitarianism and anarchy. The more rule of law is respected, the more just your society will be and the more likely it will protect the individual.
 
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sjt18 said:
IOW's, "I don't want to know because it might not be favorable for my guy and I don't think the rule is a good one anyway", right?
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Obama is not "my guy". I think he was a terrible candidate, a terrible author, and a terrible president; however, I think he should be judged on actual promises, writings, and instituted policies in those respective areas. Where he was born is of no concern to me.
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