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#76
#76
Vercingetorix said:
People aren't staying at home because of ticket prices; if you're willing to drive across the state and spend $40 a ticket, you're willing to drive across the state and spend $50. People are staying home because now everybody has a giant 50 inch TV in their house and all the games are available in HD. It's an issue across the board in all sports -- when the at-home experience is so good, it gets harder to justify the effort and expense of going in person. And when you have an extra 15,000 seats in your stadium like we do, you're going to notice that problem a lot faster.

Demand will pick back up when the team improves, obviously, but this isn't a problem that's going to go away. 100,000 is a crapton of seats to sell when everybody can stay home and drink beer and see the game better for free.
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Bingo! Nice use of the word "crapton" btw.
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#77
#77
Vercingetorix said:
People aren't staying at home because of ticket prices; if you're willing to drive across the state and spend $40 a ticket, you're willing to drive across the state and spend $50. People are staying home because now everybody has a giant 50 inch TV in their house and all the games are available in HD. It's an issue across the board in all sports -- when the at-home experience is so good, it gets harder to justify the effort and expense of going in person. And when you have an extra 15,000 seats in your stadium like we do, you're going to notice that problem a lot faster.

Demand will pick back up when the team improves, obviously, but this isn't a problem that's going to go away. 100,000 is a crapton of seats to sell when everybody can stay home and drink beer and see the game better for free.
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Dude I drink alcohol at the game all the time. Just go to the little package store next to Tin Roof and stuff your pockets. Rookies
 
#78
#78
tr763 said:
Dude I drink alcohol at the game all the time. Just go to the little package store next to Tin Roof and stuff your pockets. Rookies
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Uh, I'm aware that one can easily consume alcohol in Neyland. Note that I said "beer." If you've figured out a way to get a twelve-pack in, please share your method.
 
#80
#80
Vercingetorix said:
Uh, I'm aware that one can easily consume alcohol in Neyland. Note that I said "beer." If you've figured out a way to get a twelve-pack in, please share your method.
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I've heard tales of hot September day at Neyland. This man with a newspaper attempted to sneak an entire handle of whiskey into the stadium. He worked up a hearty sweat during the walk to the stadium gate. He took off his shirt and folded the handle of whiskey into his newspaper and casually tucked it into his armpit. The security guards were unwilling to pat this shirtless guy down, so he walked in with a substantial amount of liquor.

I have no idea if this is true or not. I've just heard it.
 
#81
#81
You could probably get a decent amount of beer in in a Camelbak bladder in the small of your back once the weather cooled off and people start layering up in sweatshirts, jackets, etc. I suppose you could try to keep it cool by inserting one of those fake ice packs into the bladder, but I'm not sure it would be worth the displacement. You'd consume by buying a cola, rinsing out the cup, and then filling with the drink tube, which would be strategically run around your waist.

Sounds like a lot of work. I need some gung-ho college kid to give it a try and let me know how it works.
 
#82
#82
Vercingetorix said:
You could probably get a decent amount of beer in in a Camelbak bladder in the small of your back once the weather cooled off and people start layering up in sweatshirts, jackets, etc. I suppose you could try to keep it cool by inserting one of those fake ice packs into the bladder, but I'm not sure it would be worth the displacement. You'd consume by buying a cola, rinsing out the cup, and then filling with the drink tube, which would be strategically run around your waist.

Sounds like a lot of work. I need some gung-ho college kid to give it a try and let me know how it works.
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that's way too much work...when you can go with liquor in a freezer bag
 
#83
#83
vol_in_il said:
that's way too much work...when you can go with liquor in a freezer bag
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Obviously, which is why I take whiskey in. But that's not optimal because I'm not interested in dumping corn liquor into a cup of cola; I drink single-malt scotch straight up. And let me tell you, a 32 ounce plastic cup without any mixer or ice in it is like a giant amplifier for the smell of whiskey. Eventually I'm going to get busted because every time a gust of wind blows, it's like I'm standing up fanning the sweet smell of Springbank or Highland Park right into people's faces.

Which of course was my point -- at home in front of the HDTV, you can just sit there and drink like a man and not have to deal with sneaking around like a 13 year old.
 
#84
#84
Vercingetorix said:
Obviously, which is why I take whiskey in. But that's not optimal because I'm not interested in dumping corn liquor into a cup of cola; I drink single-malt scotch straight up. And let me tell you, a 32 ounce plastic cup without any mixer or ice in it is like a giant amplifier for the smell of whiskey. Eventually I'm going to get busted because every time a gust of wind blows, it's like I'm standing up fanning the sweet smell of Springbank or Highland Park right into people's faces.

Which of course was my point -- at home in front of the HDTV, you can just sit there and drink like a man and not have to deal with sneaking around like a 13 year old.
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Plus, you can get up and take a leak and be back rather quickly.

I am a huge UT fan, but have chosen to stay home and watch much more often these last few years for reasons of convenience. It has nothing to do with the team's performance.
 
#85
#85
shortgameVol said:
Plus, you can get up and take a leak and be back rather quickly.

I am a huge UT fan, but have chosen to stay home and watch much more often these last few years for reasons of convenience. It has nothing to do with the team's performance.
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Try the external catheter or "Stadium Pal" if you don't want to get up to take a squirt.
 
#87
#87
google sipping seat. It is a stadium seat with a 32 oz bladder inside the seat. I've had no issues with it and it has a valve similar to a camelback that is concealed by a zipper. Not gonna hold a lot of beer, but if you travel in a pack, and not everyone is sippin, it'll get the job done or at the least maintain what you had going upon entering Neyland. They are only $20 and they have them in orange too:)
 
#88
#88
MikeHamiltonFan said:
This is incorrect factually. Hamilton is the only reason Dickey had fundraising success (it was Hamilton raising the money).

You can knock him for different reasons, but he is the most successful fundraiser in TN history. He is also more accomplished in that area than his contemporaries in the SEC.
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Actually Hamilton's donor contributions were more in line with Georgia's. And if that panty collecting AD could collect 27 million then any dimwitted AD could do the same for TN, including Dickey & Hammy. What's the big deal?

Which SEC Alumni Have the Deepest Pockets?
 
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#89
#89
vols-1 said:
Actually Hamilton's donor contributions were more in line with Georgia's. And if that panty collecting AD could collect 27 million then any dimwitted AD could do the same for TN, including Dickey & Hammy. What's the big deal?

Which SEC Alumni Have the Deepest Pockets?
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Hamilton took over at less than 20 million in donations and took it to over 40 million. Nice try using the nadir of Hamiltons fundraising to try to validate your point. Hamilton is the best fundraiser in the history of the UTAD and one of the best in the country.
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#90
#90
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Hamilton took over at less than 20 million in donations and took it to over 40 million. Nice try using the nadir of Hamiltons fundraising to try to validate your point. Hamilton is the best fundraiser in the history of the UTAD and one of the best in the country.
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He's not doing anything the other big six SEC schools AD's are not doing. We will soon be overtaken by GA and be the last school in donations for the big boys.
 
#91
#91
There is more misinformation in this thread than Bruce's initial interview with the NCAA Gestapo. All too often people just need to point a finger and while in most cases, the leader is to blame. A fish starts rotting at the head first. However, there are sooo many variables between the turmoil involving football and basketball that make being one of roughly 12% of the entire division 1 schools(football) turned a profit that much more impression. Look, Hambone has his flaws no question, but when looking at the bottom line and HIS job responsibilities, it would be hard pressed to find someone that would've done any better than Hammy has done through all this. I hardly follow baseball, but Hammy's gaffe has been baseball and in 3 years I'll either eat crow, or the majority of our fanbase that has no clue what the AD position really does behind closed doors as far as smoke screens and how to go about finding the best coach you can during NCAA uncertainty and/or finding a coach two weeks before signing day will be the one's eating that crow. Most people seem more interested in pointing fingers instead of being realistic and understanding that a lot of what has to do with our situation is/was beyond his control.
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#92
#92
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Hamilton took over at less than 20 million in donations and took it to over 40 million. Nice try using the nadir of Hamiltons fundraising to try to validate your point. Hamilton is the best fundraiser in the history of the UTAD and one of the best in the country.
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now if he could jsut work on his hiring and the performance of the football team
 
#93
#93
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Hamilton took over at less than 20 million in donations and took it to over 40 million. Nice try using the nadir of Hamiltons fundraising to try to validate your point. Hamilton is the best fundraiser in the history of the UTAD and one of the best in the country.
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What next -- did Hammy invent the internet too? Only Hammy could try to take credit for what is a universal phenomenon -- the rise of big $ in college football, with intensification of financial support across the collegiate football spectrum.

Newsflash: donations have been going up everywhere in college football for quite some time, and especially in the last decade, as the money in college football dramatically expanded. That has ZERO to do with Hammy; he's just the accidental beneficiary.

Here's the best way to measure his purported money acumen. Using consistent standards, like Forbes' studies, et al, is UT's football revenue rising or falling in the money rankings? Guess what? Under Hammy, it's been falling, falling, and still falling. We were consistently in the top 2 or 3; we're now no longer in the top-10. Even Hammy can't lie his way out of that math...
 
#94
#94
DaDuRkEr said:
However, there are sooo many variables between the turmoil involving football and basketball that make being one of roughly 12% of the entire division 1 schools(football) turned a profit that much more impression.
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That's a complete misnomer. Most athletic programs choose to reinvest their revenues in certain ways that UT doesn't; no one is aiming to make a "profitable" department at a non-profit institution, and any program could just change it's spending decisions within the athletic department to become "profitable" overnight. For various p.r. reasons, we've chosen to not reinvest all of our athletic revenues in the athletic program, but we've been doing this under Dickey for many years as well, when we were one of only 7 "profitable" athletic programs in prior years. Calling an athletic program profitable is just a p.r. tool that says nothing about the financial acumen of the program; all it says is "we decided not to reinvest all our revenues in other athletic programs" often with this addition "so that we could dupe the public into thinking something magical about our program."
 
#95
#95
if that's the case, reinvesting so much that your dept goes into the red doesn't seem very smart
 
#96
#96
DaDuRkEr said:
I'm sorry, but the whole "blame it on the AD" bit is tired. IMO, if you wanna be mad at Hamilton for something, look at the baseball team and the Raliegh hire, not having to fire Bruce. Bruce MADE him do it. I would bring up the Kiffy thing, but lets be honest with ourselves. Most of us (even those who were skeptical of the hiring in the first place) were on board the Lane Train midway through his only season here. Hence why the fanbase was so ticked when he left.

I fail to see the A to B connection with all our issue being Hammy's fault. He made the hires, he was forced to fire Bruce due to Bruce's blatant disregard for the rules and honesty.

Out of 117 Div 1 football team's athletic departments, less than 15% turned a profit and we were one of those teams that made money. Bottom line, Hammy is a successful AD at fulfilling his job responsibilities. He isn't the best at PR, but he does his job fairly well given the situations that we have gone through.
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Epic Fail... Hamilton is a joke. He must go.
 
#97
#97
You know what they say, opinoins are like...

Nice way to point out an "epic fail" with absolutely nothing to back it up.
 
#98
#98
VegasVol said:
That's a complete misnomer. Most athletic programs choose to reinvest their revenues in certain ways that UT doesn't; no one is aiming to make a "profitable" department at a non-profit institution, and any program could just change it's spending decisions within the athletic department to become "profitable" overnight. For various p.r. reasons, we've chosen to not reinvest all of our athletic revenues in the athletic program, but we've been doing this under Dickey for many years as well, when we were one of only 7 "profitable" athletic programs in prior years. Calling an athletic program profitable is just a p.r. tool that says nothing about the financial acumen of the program; all it says is "we decided not to reinvest all our revenues in other athletic programs" often with this addition "so that we could dupe the public into thinking something magical about our program."
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Magical? That's right, UT is the "Hogwarts of the SEC"

How can you say that we don't reinvest as much as our counterparts? I would like to see some statistics on which you are basing your statements on. Just from the eyeball test, and looking at the TBA and Neyland as well as other facility upgrades... I don't see anyone spending as much as we have in the past 5 years. At least, if they have, I am unaware of where the money went...
 
#99
#99
DaDuRkEr said:
Magical? That's right, UT is the "Hogwarts of the SEC"

How can you say that we don't reinvest as much as our counterparts? I would like to see some statistics on which you are basing your statements on. Just from the eyeball test, and looking at the TBA and Neyland as well as other facility upgrades... I don't see anyone spending as much as we have in the past 5 years. At least, if they have, I am unaware of where the money went...
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I agree.
 
#100
#100
"From the Equity in Athletics reports, here's a look at the top ten football revenue schools (2003-2004):"

1) Texas $47,556,281
2) Tennessee $46,704,719
3) Ohio State $46,242,355
4) Florida $42,710,967
5) Georgia $42,104,214
6) Alabama $39,848,836
7) Notre Dame $38,596,090
8) Michigan $38,547,937
9) LSU $38,381,625
10) Auburn $37,173,943


Now jump ahead to 2010 SEC Football Revenues Who’s Making Money in SEC Football?

1 Univ. of Alabama $71,884,525.00
2 Univ. of Georgia $70,838,539.00
3 Louisiana State Univ. $68,819,806.00
4 Univ. of Florida $68,715,750.00
5 Auburn Univ. $66,162,720.00
6 Univ. of South Carolina $58,266,159.00
7 Univ. of Tennessee $56,593,946.00
8 Univ. of Arkansas $48,524,244.00
9 Univ. of Kentucky $31,890,572.00
10 Univ. of Mississippi $28,409,774.00
11 Mississippi State Univ. $14,551,275.00
12 Vanderbilt Univ. $14,152,061.00



From 2nd in the nation to 7th in the SEC. Bottom line is were going no where fast with Hammy.
 
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