Don't know where to put this- Gruden and Spread

#26
#26
Let Gruden run whatever the f*** he wants, he knows more about scheme than everyone on this board combined. He knows what he's doing.

This is my only fear with Gruden becoming coach. His schemes are so incredibly complex it takes even the most knowledgeable NFL players time to grasp his concepts. I'm sure he's aware of this and will dumb it down, but the verbage to his playcalling is unreal. It's almost comical to hear his play calls from NFL films. It really might include 10-15 words.
 
#27
#27
This is my only fear with Gruden becoming coach. His schemes are so incredibly complex it takes even the most knowledgeable NFL players time to grasp his concepts. I'm sure he's aware of this and will dumb it down, but the verbage to his playcalling is unreal. It's almost comical to hear his play calls from NFL films. It really might include 10-15 words.
It's quite funny when the average fan hears a WCO playcall. They swear up and down that its either some other language or speaking in tongues. I laugh every time. Qb's that know the WCO are highly coveted in the NFL. A lot of coaches have their own terminology for the WCO, but concepts are the same. So one call might mean one thing for one coach and the complete opposite for another.
 
#28
#28
Also I wouldn't be too worried about the complexity of the offense. Gruden will adjust accordingly and he has more football knowledge than any fan could comprehend.
 
#29
#29
This is my only fear with Gruden becoming coach. His schemes are so incredibly complex it takes even the most knowledgeable NFL players time to grasp his concepts. I'm sure he's aware of this and will dumb it down, but the verbage to his playcalling is unreal. It's almost comical to hear his play calls from NFL films. It really might include 10-15 words.

West coast concepts themselves aren't that difficult, not much different than any other offense in the NFL. Coryell/Gibbs/Martz system is probably more difficult for a QB because of the steps and rhythm. Problems have always been with protections. The verbiage isn't in the end that much off from any other offense, and at least as of late, it has been trimmed down a ton for some of the newer guys.

1. Coryell = I Right Y Off Base 989 Y Poco
2. WCO = Green Right Y Close 376 Dbl Go Y Cop
3. EP = 0 Up 62 Semi Go Y Bowread

All the same, just different terms. Much of it being streamlined in the league.

Point is valid though, West coast was the worst of the worst in the verbiage category for years. Example: some refused to budge from Doublewing Right when all it was saying was 2x2/11 personnel.

Like said earlier though, protections are the problem. Just from a WCO you can have: 22/23, 24/25, 2-Jet, 3-Jet, 200-Jet, 300-Jet, 76/77, 376/377, Fox-2/3, Fire-2/3, and on and on. You add on the lengthy calls like you said and the sight reads/hots and it is beyond complicated. I've raised these issues previously, because frankly, it would be suicide to install a full WCO at this level.

Kiffin came in running WCO/Knapp in Oakland and having free-reign in Tampa in the off-season was schooled in it. Scrapped the protections, only ran IZ/OZ, and eliminated half the concepts. He was on the right approach. If anyone has any hope of installing a WCO in college it has to revolve around concision and efficiency. Shaw/Harbaugh figured out how.
 
#30
#30
It's quite funny when the average fan hears a WCO playcall. They swear up and down that its either some other language or speaking in tongues. I laugh every time. Qb's that know the WCO are highly coveted in the NFL. A lot of coaches have their own terminology for the WCO, but concepts are the same. So one call might mean one thing for one coach and the complete opposite for another.

(Zebra) X Mo into Doublewing Rt H Up 200 Jet Lion Y Stick X Puma -- Alert -- Doublewing Rt 16 Force "Lookie"

(Regular) Green Right Fake 96 Blast Z Special Behind RT 'Kill' Green Right 324 Thunder/Smoke/Omaha

I love this language. :p
 
#32
#32
Like another poster mentioned, Gruden will be able to adjust it to fit his strengths, as Kiffin did with Crompton with great success.

A great coach can tailor his playcalling to the strengths of his QB, which is why the Clawfense was such an abysmal failure. Instead of dumbing it down until Crompton was comfortable, they decided to play musical chairs at qb. Make no doubt about it, Crompton was the most talented QB on that team, but the offense was not suited to him at all in 2008. As Kiffin proved the next year after the first few games, Crompton could be very successful rolling out, and throwing on the run. He was actually pretty mobile as well.
 
#33
#33
Gruden could bring back the single wing for all I care as long as we get him and he brings the results that most here believe he would.

Who cares if he runs a pro style offense or not?


LMAO! Well said sir! :hi:



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#35
#35
I really believe if Gruden is the next HC, Peterman will be the starting QB next year. He might be the starter regardless.
 

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