Dooley screwed us so bad

[volfrk86]

As far as instate recruiting goes. There is a reason why the top guys over the years wouldn't even give us a look. Hopefully now that he is gone and Butch Jones does what he says then he will make a late push for guys like Ramsey, Bell, Elder, Wilkins, and others. I am 100% behind Butch Jones and am looking forward to see what he can do and Go Vols:rock:

 

[volfrk86]

I think if Dooley was on staff we don't end up with Von Bell. Jones may mend this relationship.

 

[WillieGault]

Mike Hamilton is where it all started! He set our athletics program back 40 years! He is a nice guy and decent fund raiser but was in over his head in leading our AD.

 

[sjt18]

Dooley, like Kiffin and even Fulmer before him calculated that there was not enough talent in Tennessee to justify using resource there that could bear more fruit in GA, SC, FL, and LA.

In-state recruiting will be tricky for UT until the number of good recruits justifies the resources it takes to get them vs using those resources in more talent rich states.

Be careful what you wish for. Mending those fences could cost UT talented out of state players.... and not yield enough talent to become competitive.

 

[champyvol]

As far as instate recruiting goes. There is a reason why the top guys over the years wouldn't even give us a look. Hopefully now that he is gone and Butch Jones does what he says then he will make a late push for guys like Ramsey, Bell, Elder, Wilkins, and others. I am 100% behind Butch Jones and am looking forward to see what he can do and Go Vols:rock:

dooley should have been fired after the UK game last year but hart let him stay. what does that tell you about hart and he picked jones from what it seems was a espn list for dumb AD's to pick coaches from. attendence at neyland after the oregon game will probably hit record lows.

 

[sjt18]

Mike Hamilton is where it all started! He set our athletics program back 40 years! He is a nice guy and decent fund raiser but was in over his head in leading our AD.

It started when Fulmer started reading his own headlines. He became "entitled" and complacent. He stopped changing with the game and let personal loyalties outweigh the good of the program.

Fulmer had to bless the AD hire when MH was hired. He was NEVER going to bless an AD that he thought would challenge him. If someone had had some frank and direct conversations with Fulmer about the direction of his program in the early 2000's then he might still be a successful UT coach.

 

[ncvol17]

he picked jones from what it seems was a espn list for dumb AD's to pick coaches from

And yet, from Coach Kelly to Charles Davis and many analysts and sportscasters from Pro to College in between say Jones is an excellent hire. Hmm, guess many professional sports guys do not know as much as you. And your job is.....

 

[SCowlsVOL]

Dooley, like Kiffin and even Fulmer before him calculated that there was not enough talent in Tennessee to justify using resource there that could bear more fruit in GA, SC, FL, and LA.

In-state recruiting will be tricky for UT until the number of good recruits justifies the resources it takes to get them vs using those resources in more talent rich states.

Be careful what you wish for. Mending those fences could cost UT talented out of state players.... and not yield enough talent to become competitive.

I agree with all of this. I agree what the coaches thought too even though other people prob won't like me saying that.

 

[thechad90000]

Dooley, like Kiffin and even Fulmer before him calculated that there was not enough talent in Tennessee to justify using resource there that could bear more fruit in GA, SC, FL, and LA.

In-state recruiting will be tricky for UT until the number of good recruits justifies the resources it takes to get them vs using those resources in more talent rich states.

Be careful what you wish for. Mending those fences could cost UT talented out of state players.... and not yield enough talent to become competitive.

Very nice post. I think the best way to recruit in our state without having to spend many resources for minimal gain is to WIN. If Tennessee becomes dominant again, this whole idea of a kid from Tennessee going somewhere else is a joke. If you want to win the recruits of Tennessee, just win.

 

[sjt18]

dooley should have been fired after the UK game last year but hart let him stay. what does that tell you about hart and he picked jones from what it seems was a espn list for dumb AD's to pick coaches from.

This attitude conveyed by WAY TOO MANY UT fans is part of why the national image of the fanbase is so low... which contributes to top coaching names saying "no".

attendence at neyland after the oregon game will probably hit record lows.

If so.... you can look forward to another desperate hire when/if Jones is let go.

Like it or not, coaches don't like what they see going on in the UT fanbase. They don't like the idea of fan negativity making an already difficult recruiting situation worse.

If I am a coach considering UT, there's no way I take the job without gauging the fanbase's loyalty and patience (realism). I want a high expectation for winning. I don't want the ignorant negativity when it takes work to get there.

You are firmly among those who do not deserve a better program. Your defeatist, negative attitude deserves to be rewarded with a losing program.

 

[JimVol]

Dooley, like Kiffin and even Fulmer before him calculated that there was not enough talent in Tennessee to justify using resource there that could bear more fruit in GA, SC, FL, and LA.

In-state recruiting will be tricky for UT until the number of good recruits justifies the resources it takes to get them vs using those resources in more talent rich states.

Be careful what you wish for. Mending those fences could cost UT talented out of state players.... and not yield enough talent to become competitive.

While true, you still have to keep those bridges open. A few phone calls from the staff will not take much time. While Tennessee may not have the in state talent right now in 10 years, maybe even 5 years it may be totally different.

You have to keep those relationships stable. HS coaches in TN come from all over the nation. A phone call from a HS coach in Whitwell, TN could lead to a top prospect in colorado or something like that.

HS coaches are the tap to get to HS players.

 

[sjt18]

Very nice post. I think the best way to recruit in our state without having to spend many resources for minimal gain is to WIN. If Tennessee becomes dominant again, this whole idea of a kid from Tennessee going somewhere else is a joke. If you want to win the recruits of Tennessee, just win.

It is a difficult situation made worse by the fact that the largest real pool of talent is Memphis- hours away and closer to several other SEC schools. I'm not saying you give up on Memphis... but that 250 mile circle around K'ville should be "home turf". Recruiting Memphis is pretty much like recruiting Florida.

 

[sjt18]

While true, you still have to keep those bridges open. A few phone calls from the staff will not take much time. While Tennessee may not have the in state talent right now in 10 years, maybe even 5 years it may be totally different.

You have to keep those relationships stable. HS coaches in TN come from all over the nation. A phone call from a HS coach in Whitwell, TN could lead to a top prospect in colorado or something like that.

HS coaches are the tap to get to HS players.

No question. You have to treat the coaches with respect and develop relationships with them.

 

[thechad90000]

It is a difficult situation made worse by the fact that the largest real pool of talent is Memphis- hours away and closer to several other SEC schools. I'm not saying you give up on Memphis... but that 250 mile circle around K'ville should be "home turf". Recruiting Memphis is pretty much like recruiting Florida.

Very true. Knoxville is Appalachia and Memphis is Midwest. Very very different.

 

[carpbc]

Mike Hamilton is where it all started! He set our athletics program back 40 years! He is a nice guy and decent fund raiser but was in over his head in leading our AD.

And now Dave Hart has set us back another 40 years.

1) He paid UocCincy $1.4M to buy out Jones' contract

2) He gave Jones $500K signing bonuw to be paid in January 2013

3) He is paying Jones $3M+ per year plus generous performance bonuses through 2/28/2019

4) He has agreed to pay Jones a $2M per year buyout if Jones is fired or forced to resign.

5) If you look at UofCincy's recruit commits thus far, they are a bunch of 2 and 3 stars, with the "Star" being a two star QB.

6) Jones is not retaining Pittman or Hinshew. Several of our better quality recruits have stated that they may choose another program if they are not retained.

Bottom line: Dave Hart has done a complete Mike Hamilton on the UT athletic department. Jones was not a good value hire by any logic, whatsoever.

GBO...................... anyway.

 

[armchair]

Hammy did some good things: He hired Pearl--best basketball coach UT has ever had, and it's too bad he got too ambitious and then tried to cover up a rather minor recruiting violation. I also thought hiring Kiffin was a stroke of genius, but yea, it backfired: No one foresaw Kiffin's dream job coming open a year later--and it couldn't have been foreseen. It was bad luck. Kiffin would have brought us back to the top--and quickly, though he was not going to stay at UT very long. Hamilton did make a huge mistake in hiring Dooley--a guy with three years of head coaching experience at a small college, and even there he had a losing record. He was not qualified for the job--period. Hamilton was in a bind--the timing of Kiffin's departure was terrible; still, he blew that hire. I also give Hammy a ton of credit for sacking Fulmer--who needed to retire. It's not easy pushing a successful coach out the door--see pa. state and fsu.

 

[Hyperion]

Very true. Knoxville is Appalachia and Memphis is Midwest. Very very different.

Midwest?wtf.

 

[pimo1]

Dooley, like Kiffin and even Fulmer before him calculated that there was not enough talent in Tennessee to justify using resource there that could bear more fruit in GA, SC, FL, and LA.

In-state recruiting will be tricky for UT until the number of good recruits justifies the resources it takes to get them vs using those resources in more talent rich states.

Be careful what you wish for. Mending those fences could cost UT talented out of state players.... and not yield enough talent to become competitive.

this

 

[thechad90000]

Midwest?wtf.

I'd say it's fair to say that. Right on the border of Arkansas and just a bit South of Missouri which I consider to be a Midwest State. Even if the term itself shouldn't be used, the difference between the Eastern side of the state and the Western side of the State is pretty stark.

 

[ncvol17]

I'd say it's fair to say that. Right on the border of Arkansas and just a bit South of Missouri which I consider to be a Midwest State. Even if the term itself shouldn't be used, the difference between the Eastern side of the state and the Western side of the State is pretty stark.

So true. Memphis doesn't think of itself as part of Tennessee. If you are in Memphis you know they call it the MIDSOUTH. That is S.Missouri/Eastern ARKansas/Northern Mississippi/Western tip of TN for those outside of Memphis. East Tennessee is foreign ground. When I went to UT friends thought I had gone out of state not going to Ole Miss.

 

[NashVol11]

This attitude conveyed by WAY TOO MANY UT fans is part of why the national image of the fanbase is so low... which contributes to top coaching names saying "no".
If so.... you can look forward to another desperate hire when/if Jones is let go.

Like it or not, coaches don't like what they see going on in the UT fanbase. They don't like the idea of fan negativity making an already difficult recruiting situation worse.

If I am a coach considering UT, there's no way I take the job without gauging the fanbase's loyalty and patience (realism). I want a high expectation for winning. I don't want the ignorant negativity when it takes work to get there.

You are firmly among those who do not deserve a better program. Your defeatist, negative attitude deserves to be rewarded with a losing program.

Knowing that it takes work is one thing, but being okay with losing to a clearly inferior Kentucky team with no QB is another. You call people "defeatist," and you're seriously trying to make excuses for that loss?

Coaches don't give a sh*t about our fanbase. Wins attract fans, and as much as you try to convince everyone otherwise, it isn't that tough to win here. The "desperate hires" are a result of a stubborn and incompetent AD.

 

[Vol Main]

Midwest?wtf.

Hill Bills don't know the Mid-South from the Mid-West.

 

[NashVol11]

Dooley, like Kiffin and even Fulmer before him calculated that there was not enough talent in Tennessee to justify using resource there that could bear more fruit in GA, SC, FL, and LA.

In-state recruiting will be tricky for UT until the number of good recruits justifies the resources it takes to get them vs using those resources in more talent rich states.

Be careful what you wish for. Mending those fences could cost UT talented out of state players.... and not yield enough talent to become competitive.

Still making excuses for Dooley, I see.

Tri-state area teams ignored by Dooley staff | timesfreepress.com

As you can see in the article, what you said is basically total crap. Dooley was nothing like Fulmer or Kiffin; he had no idea how to build relationships, even with some Georgia programs who consistently produced DI players. You don't have to be an arrogant prick toward Tennessee programs to get players from other states. I would love to see your attempt to findsimilar things said about Kiffin OR Fulmer, and both of them recruited other states substantially better than Dooley did.

 

[NashVol11]

And yet, from Coach Kelly to Charles Davis and many analysts and sportscasters from Pro to College in between say Jones is an excellent hire. Hmm, guess many professional sports guys do not know as much as you. And your job is.....

Did "Coach Saban" and "Coach Muschamp" not say Dooley was an excellent hire? I'll never understand the faith some here put into references from former bosses. When are they not positive?

 

[utvolz98]

You are firmly among those who do not deserve a better program. Your defeatist, negative attitude deserves to be rewarded with a losing program.

This is an ignorant statement. Period. Just because someone's opinion is differing, albeit wrong, does not entitle them to less or more.