Dooley's recruiting plan, 2010

#26
#26
Recruit Cali, Georgia, and Florida and the players you can't find from those 3 states get from Tennessee.
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#27
#27
In order of importance (not including TN)- recruit GA, SC, FL, NC, VA, MS, AL, OH.... everywhere else
 
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sjt18 said:
I believe the OP waaaaay over thinks this.

DD and staff are evaluating guys and offering the ones they think have the right talent and character to become good players for UT.

For instance, there's been a ton of handwringing over Power... but show me a 4-5* TE recruit that runs a 4.6, benches 400 lbs, can catch the football, and has already proven he can make an SEC two deep.

DD said he recruits with his eyes, not his ears. IOW's, he's looking for guys that he and his staff believe in... not necessarily ones that everyone is chasing or the recruiting svcs love.
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What you just said and what I said in another thread are almost exactly the same. Example:

orangeblood79 said:
Basically x's reasoning was that the staff is not concerned with stars or rankings or recruiting services, they have (Lance Thompson was specifically mentioned in this regard) a very good sense of what they're looking for, and will judge based on a recruits tape and how they look in person.

Basicaly, they could give a $*** if a guy is a 3 star or a 4 star, if they believe the kid can play, they'll sign him and be damned with the final rankings--something Dooley has inferred on several occasions.

I get the feeling that we'll have a top 15 class but maybe not a top 10, but have as close to a 100% retention rate as you can get, I.e. no non-qualifiers, or very few.

If so, that can only help build a solid foundation and get us back on the winning side of football faster. JMO.
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orangeblood79 said:
I posted this in another thread but wanted to get this out to the masses and see what everyone's opinion is about how they think Dooley should recruit:



Discuss....:hi:
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Great theory...of course you're pretty much reguritating what Jhop stated but otherwise solid post.
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#30
#30
Actually I think I heard Hubbs say it on 104.5...
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sjt18 said:
I believe the OP waaaaay over thinks this.

DD and staff are evaluating guys and offering the ones they think have the right talent and character to become good players for UT.

For instance, there's been a ton of handwringing over Power... but show me a 4-5* TE recruit that runs a 4.6, benches 400 lbs, can catch the football, and has already proven he can make an SEC two deep.

DD said he recruits with his eyes, not his ears. IOW's, he's looking for guys that he and his staff believe in... not necessarily ones that everyone is chasing or the recruiting svcs love.
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a seat right beside Vanderbilt and Kentucky. You seriously believe we can compete for championships with other teams rejects? You have a helluva lot of faith in a coach's evaluation that hasn't proven a damn thing. Unless he can get some hoss's in here we are screwed and it is as simple as that.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
a seat right beside Vanderbilt and Kentucky. You seriously believe we can compete for championships with other teams rejects? You have a helluva lot of faith in a coach's evaluation that hasn't proven a damn thing. Unless he can get some hoss's in here we are screwed and it is as simple as that.
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You have been consistently wrong and uninformed on most everything you've posted on including this.

I said that what I posted looks like his strategy. I have no idea how his strategy, whatever it is, will work and NEITHER DO YOU.

I only know a couple of pertinent things about this. One, some pretty good coaches have joined him in this plan... some guys who know quite a bit more about football and talent than either of us. Either he's the Jim Jones of college football and gotten these guys to put their careers in his hand... or they have cause to trust him and vice versa.

Second, none of those coaches came to UT to commit career suicide. If they're wrong, they lose their jobs... You don't have nearly that much at stake. Further, you don't even do what would be considered credible research for a poster before posting comments about recruiting... They've thoroughly studied these guys before offering.
 
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zjcvols said:
It's mostly with low 4* and 3* players you look for the offer sheet.
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Yes.

Especially when those players come from states loaded with talent, like Florida or Georgia.

If Doc Holliday offers a Florida kid, they're pretty damn good regardless of stars.
 
#37
#37
I just hope some of you remember that these 3* guys still have a Senior Season to play and could become 4*...But I work with a guy who played for Dooley at La Tech and he said that his team in 1 year played harder then he had ever seen them play. He told me that Dooley is intense about playing harder then you think you can play and it shows on the field....He said guys who he thought would never see the field were playing lights out because Dooley had them believing in themselves...

I cant wait til this season starts!!!!
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Actually I think I heard Hubbs say it on 104.5...
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Jhops post....

Originally Posted by Jhop
I think the difference between evaluating talent and recruiting talent is the difference. You have to get kids who fit your scheme, want to work hard. Not every 4 and 5 star fits this bill. Also Dooley and staff also recognized way before any of us they were going to lose A LOT of battles for these top guys against Bama, Florida, among others this year. So as opposed to a month before NSD and taking a ton of low 3 and 2 star fallbacks, they are looking at solid athletes that they have a great shot with. It's a tactical move, it will pay off, maybe not this year, but in a year or two.

BTW the difference between a solid 3 star and mid level 4 star is minimal at best.
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Your response 2 post later in same thread...

Agreed. I think its time some folks realize that CDD and co. know what they're doing.

Not necessarily aiming that at you, 4243, but everyone is general.
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#41
#41
This was excellent. I think you may be underestimating where Dooley will be in terms of closing star wise. He got stone and hunter t the very last and is firmly in the hunt for top 100 talent.

Lance prides himself on finding diamonds in the rough and will continue to do it.
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#43
#43
JAMESFROMCT said:
Agree............look at where good ole Lame Kiffins 5star rampage got us. Players who got arrested and sit out spring practice thinking about transfering. Dooley is doing it the right way. Get players that are built to be competitive in the SEC and land a few 5 stars here and there. UT starts winning and the 5 stars will want to come here like they did in the 90's. can I get a hell yeah:eek:k::eek:k:
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Hell yeah!:rock:
 
#44
#44
volwarrior33 said:
The people with high expectations on this site are generally known as negavols.
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Bull, the people who constantly downplay and ridicule our team, staff, and chances are negavols. The posivols want the same high results they just magically think we have the combo already to get there. Sanity lies somewhere in the middle.
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#47
#47
Ulysees E. McGill said:
Whatever Dooleys plan was it probably just got shot to hell thanks to this bar brawl crap.:no:
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Considering that most every top tier program has similar problems from time to time with some being epidemic (see UF, UGA, Miami, FSU)... if they don't come because of a bar fight then they weren't coming to start with.

I mean we all care so the temptation is to go ballistic... but it was a BAR FIGHT. I'm not excusing it but this is hardly on the order of armed robbery or rape.
 
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sjt18 said:
Considering that most every top tier program has similar problems from time to time with some being epidemic (see UF, UGA, Miami, FSU)... if they don't come because of a bar fight then they weren't coming to start with.

I mean we all care so the temptation is to go ballistic... but it was a BAR FIGHT. I'm not excusing it but this is hardly on the order of armed robbery or rape.
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Agree, but it still makes the fans look stupid that have been parading around and running their mouths about "character this" and "character that".

I think educated fans realize this happens everywhere, no matter who the coach is, and that you can never truly tell a kids "character" when recruited at the age of 17 and 18.

People seriously said the same thing in Fulmer's last class because it was so poor from a talent standpoint. It was this is a "high character class this and a high character class that", etc. And Douglas was the centerpiece of the high character in that class according to a lot of them.
 
#49
#49
sjt18 said:
I believe the OP waaaaay over thinks this.

DD and staff are evaluating guys and offering the ones they think have the right talent and character to become good players for UT.

For instance, there's been a ton of handwringing over Power... but show me a 4-5* TE recruit that runs a 4.6, benches 400 lbs, can catch the football, and has already proven he can make an SEC two deep.

DD said he recruits with his eyes, not his ears. IOW's, he's looking for guys that he and his staff believe in... not necessarily ones that everyone is chasing or the recruiting svcs love.
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When was Power ever on South Carolina's two-deep?
 
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#50
ShanMan said:
Jhops post....

Originally Posted by Jhop


Your response 2 post later in same thread...
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Hubbs said something similar on 104.5 after the Powers commit. Either Mark Howard or Wycheck made a comment about a "not so highly rated" commit, which Hubbs responded with a similar statement that Jhop posted.
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