Drill baby drill??

[orangeblooded2]

The transition to new energies is the key. Look for new taxes (or other phrasing)to fuel new technologies. How will the new revenue be used, where will it go and who gets it.

 

[rjd970]

What is the issue with natural gas? Our we really that stupid, or are there legitimate issues with distribution infrastructure, engine technology, price, drilling, etc?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Exploit every resource we have baby!

 

[droski]

What is the issue with natural gas? Our we really that stupid, or are there legitimate issues with distribution infrastructure, engine technology, price, drilling, etc?

personally i think the problem is these technologies that are now allowing us to drill and get gas far cheaper and better than before are fairly new and the politicians haven't caught on (and aren't getting paid off like other technologies). there are some transpertation issues (not really domestically though) and certainly it's a lot more dangerous to use than gas for cars, but there is zero reason why we should spending money on "clean coal" techonolgy which isn't clean for electricity when we already have a cheap and clean source of energy available.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Tax and exploit baby!

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

What is the issue with natural gas? Our we really that stupid, or are there legitimate issues with distribution infrastructure, engine technology, price, drilling, etc?

The issue is that the Natural Gas industry isnt Unionized, and they dont have a powerful lobbyist like the Coal industry does.

Boone Pickens wants to get tax credits for Tractor Trailers to run on NatGas. His plan is to put NatGas stations along I40 and I10 so that trucks that only run on those highways will use NatGas. There are thousands of trucks that never leave that highway.

Oh and the price of NatGas is volitile and right now its beyond dirt cheap, so cheap infact its almost not worth drilling for now, and we have over a 100 year supply

 

[TennTradition]

What is the issue with natural gas? Our we really that stupid, or are there legitimate issues with distribution infrastructure, engine technology, price, drilling, etc?

In the past, there has been a lot of trepidation to build natural gas plants because of the high volatility in the price of gas. We were a net importer of natural gas just a few years ago, now we are a net exporter. If we can get stable supply and get some price stability, then you will see more natural gas plants. Natural gas plants are highly capital intensive, too, so it's hard to compete with coal. Emissions restrictions are the only thing that make it competitive, I would imagine. If we can get cheap natural gas, that will help, but I still wonder how that will compare to coal.

 

[gsvol]

FOXNews.com - Obama to Unveil Offshore Oil Drilling Plans

I bet this goes over very well with his base. :good!: Mr Pres

Well he still is blocking any drilling in Alaska and only Russia and China will be sinking new wells in the Gulf.

With horzontal drilling methods who knows what all they will do?

heck yah drill, maybe we can get out nuts out of the vice of OPEC, bunch of slimy bastages.

Slimy I say!!!

only bad thing is it would make them even more dangerous and desperate.

But it might prevent them from influencing universities with huge donations and funding radical imans all over America.

i just want him to say two words... Natural Gas

Another discovery is the ability to liquify natural gas, thus making transportation much easier.

The amount of domestic natural gas we have discovered over the last few years is astounding.

Here is another solution on the horizon.

 

[overseasorange2]

there hasn't been a single domestic oil spill from any off shore oil rig in this country. the environmental argument is garbage./

True. Actually, there is a much greater chance of a spill from an oil tanker being brought over from the Middle East.:hi:

 

[overseasorange2]

Well he still is blocking any drilling in Alaska and only Russia and China will be sinking new wells in the Gulf.

With horzontal drilling methods who knows what all they will do?



Slimy I say!!!



But it might prevent them from influencing universities with huge donations and funding radical imans all over America.



Another discovery is the ability to liquify natural gas, thus making transportation much easier.



Here is another solution on the horizon.

:focus:

 

[droski]

Natural gas plants are highly capital intensive, too, so it's hard to compete with coal.

it's still cheaper definetly, but with coal prices rising and the massive supply of natural gas and with technology i bet the gap reduces over time.

 

[kptvol]

Our we really that stupid?

Evidently. BOOM!

 

[gsvol]

True. Actually, there is a much greater chance of a spill from an oil tanker being brought over from the Middle East.:hi:

Another false claim by "enviromentalists" (or useful idiots as the case may be) is that offshore oil rigs are bad for marine life. The oposite is the truth.

:focus:

Is it possible the Chernoble meltdown was staged on purpose, Russia with it's vast store of oil and natural gass pretty well has western Europe at it's mercy today.

 

[gsvol]

These kind of 180 turn arounds by politicians are tough to justify. I'd like to hear from him what changed his mind.

Don't believe it, he's just granting a fig leaf to McVain, Gramnesty and other rinos so thay can vote for crap and tax giving some democrats the opportunity to vote against it and forwarding the illusion of biprtisanship.

What the President announced today at-a-glance:

Cancelled five lease sales off the Alaska coast that were planned over the next 2 years. One of the areas is estimated to hold up to 77 billion barrels of oil, or more than 3 times US reserves.

A study of the southern Atlantic OCS, with the findings due back next year….no leasing

Delaying a planned lease sale off Virginia until at least 2012

America, the most technologically advanced nation in the world, with the most stringent environmental policies on the books, remains the only nation that imposes burdensome regulations and endless streams of red tape on domestic production. Americans want to stop embargoing our own oil. The president’s plan expands that existing embargo, and Americans will pay the price. ”

 

[gsvol]

i'll believe it when i see it.

I'm with you on that! :good!:

He is only talking about the 2012-2017 plan.

He knows there won't be a single new well dug for at least ten years, that is if we are lucky and some big changes are made in Washington.

Some questions, when did the USSA first start having five year plans like the USSR?

How did we arrive at the point that government has complete ironclad control over energy production.

We've come a long way since the day of the wildcatter.

 

[gsvol]

his arse is still well intrenched in the ethanol and alternative energy lobby. natural gas IS the solution to our domestic energy problems. and it burns CLEAN. pathetic obama never talks about it.

The ethanol mandates are strong evidence of total insanity.

Wind and solar will ever reach even 20% of the energy needs of this country unless we start using about as much energy as people who live in mud huts without electricy and running water and we walk everywhere we go.

Not out of the realm of possiblity as a goal for obama and company given some of the insane things they say.

 

[gsvol]

We simply don't have enough oil, unfortunately.

This is a sound bite meaning nothing by Obama.

Barry is on the one hand allowing seismic exploration off the east coast (or parts thereof), but at the same time he is closing off the BEAUFORT and CHUKCHI SEAS, where any oil man will tell you that most of our undiscovered oil most likely is. There are probaly many times our all known American reserves located there.

Seismic exploration and drilling are two different things.

OTOH America has more coal reserves than probably any other nation on Earth but we are demonizing coal, making known coal fields off limits and trying to put unreasonable taxes on energy derived from coal generated sources.

I noticed you replied to the 'is global warming' real thread, I'll have to get around to that.

In other developments, 24,000 more jobs were lost in March.

Per the Obama administration; this comes as very good news, more losses were anticipated follwing the intense rains and the unusually cool temperatures of March, which dipped down into the mid-40’s.

Yes global warming is real.

Yes it is man made.

It is made up in the minds of madmen.

It is promoted by slefish useful idiots for personal gain.

It is parroted by the gullible and weak minded.

 

[gsvol]

I support the idea overall but I'm listening to his speech about it and his method drives me insane.

He sets up complete strawmen then shows how his solution is the best compromise. Case in point, he just said "there are some on the other side that want to open all areas to exploration with absolutely NO restrictions or environmental regulations"

No one takes that position. He's a little closer when he characterizes the other extreme "there are some that want no new exploration period". Again, I'm sure their numbers are few if any.

He sums it up by saying we need to expand and use traditional sources of fuel while we transition to green energy so our economy will stay strong. Duh!

I'll ask again - who buys this crap?

No one with half a clue and a functional brain.

Obama's ruse was immediately exposed as a bald faced lie.

Prior to today’s announcement, the vast majority of OCS areas were open for business. No longer. Today, while President Obama may have stated his support for increased energy development in the Eastern Gulf (which requires congressional action) and the Southern Atlantic (which he’ll study over the next year), he also announced that he would delay the development of the energy resources off Virginia’s coast and lock up vast resources off the Alaskan coast.

Additionally, those who cheer the President’s newfound support for domestic energy resources should remember that the very same President’s FY 2011 budget proposal includes upwards of $36 billion in new oil and natural gas taxes, which will discourage domestic production, especially in areas like the Southern Atlantic that have little to no existing infrastructure. While today’s rhetoric made for a good news cycle, the policy is not a step forward, but a huge leap backward.

 

[lumberjack4]

Is it possible the Chernoble meltdown was staged on purpose, Russia with it's vast store of oil and natural gass pretty well has western Europe at it's mercy today.

That's a conspiracy I haven't heard before. I think its just an example of shoddy Russian engineering. Sadly that incident has left nuclear power on life support for the last 40 years.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Come on gsvol, you know as well as I do that the Russian half rear ended every thing they made. Non of their nuclear stuff had safety back ups for any thing.

 

[gsvol]

That's a conspiracy I haven't heard before. I think its just an example of shoddy Russian engineering. Sadly that incident has left nuclear power on life support for the last 40 years.

I've always thought that was a distinct possibility.

Shoddy engineering run by stupid party comrades is more likely right, but that is one of the things we'll probably never know for sure.

I do know that the Soviets funded and supported anti-nuclear groups all over, particularly in the USA.

This started as anti-nuclear bomb advocates but bled over to anti-nuclear power as well.

With modern technology what it is today, it seems stupid to not start installing plants like the Gates/Toshiba project I linked above.

A funny story; a guy that I went to UT with in the late sixties invented a nuclear guage/regulator that helped take the element of human error out of running a reactor.

The funny part was when they installed it for a trial run, he wasn't allowed to watch because he couldn't get a security clearance. Hell he could probably build one from scratch, what was the big secret??

Come on gsvol, you know as well as I do that the Russian half rear ended every thing they made. Non of their nuclear stuff had safety back ups for any thing.

Although that is true in some cases that is not entirely so.

The Soviets also made some brilliant scientific advances.

I used an intelligence gathering device developed by them and stolen by us that was one of the best advancements in it's area of the 20th century, if not THE best.

I also saw us putting together a great advancement in aircraft identification, invented by the Soviets, figuring out how it worked one step at a time. That machine is a relic now but the idea is in widespread use still today, just using better technology.

 

[gsvol]

Barack Obama is easily least qualified person to ever occupy the oval office.

His energy policy in general, and oil in particular, is beginning to make Americans feel nostalgic for the "good old days" when Jimmy Carter was doing his best to destroy the domestic energy industry:

Last week Obama pretended to open up some areas of the outer continental shelf (OCS) for more exploration. However, in reality, what he did was take areas previously open to exploration and close them. In short, we were better off before he made his announcement than after.

Behind the rhetoric lie new drilling bans and leasing delays; soon to follow are burdensome new environmental regulations.

Instead of “drill, baby, drill,” the more you look into this the more you realize it’s “stall, baby, stall.”

 

[gsvol]

Obama's Department of Energy should more appropriately be called the Department of Energy Prevention.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

With this Coal disaster, Obama has to come to the realization that Clean Coal doesnt exist. Maybe this is the turning point for NatGas as the bridge fuel.

Also Oil is still being found here in America. North Dakota and Montana have oil and companies like CLR, BEXP, KOG and SSN are all hitting gushers. BEXP reported yesterday a 5000+ Barrels per day well (a state record). Thats $400K coming out of the ground every day