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It's been a discussion for various reasons the last 2 years. Josh had a case of the drops last year. It happens. There have been debates this year about what is a drop or not, what is a bad drop or not, etc.
For perspective, check out some of the names towards the top of the list below, which was through the first 2 games of the nfl. And maybe people will lighten up a little been when talking about good wr's not dropping passes or making every play.
The best in the world on this list have a 25% drop rate.
Mods can put this where they want, but it pertains to recent topics discussed on here and the expectations of some fans put on some of our players who are still a few games into their college careers is really out of whack.


Dropped Passes: 2014 NFL Season
 
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oh my , you are going to get all these armchair coaches mad now.

What will they do if they cant blame the loss on a player ?
 
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Spartacavolus said:
It's been a discussion for various reasons the last 2 years. Josh had a case of the drops last year. It happens. There have been debates this year about what is a drop or not, what is a bad drop or not, etc.
For perspective, check out some of the names towards the top of the list below, which was through the first 2 games of the nfl. And maybe people will lighten up a little been when talking about good wr's not dropping passes or making every play.
The best in the world on this list have a 25% drop rate.
Mods can put this where they want, but it pertains to recent topics discussed on here and the expectations of some fans put on some of our players who are still a few games into their college careers is really out of whack.


Dropped Passes: 2014 NFL Season
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We now know that Josh had tough injuries last year and really effected his ability to make plays on the ball...proving this year because I haven't seen him drop one....as far as Jason Croom (and I was concerned with all the drops/inability to make plays on the ball especially in the Oklahoma game) we now know he's banged up really bad especially his left wrist which effects the overall ability to catch/secure the ball but the coaching staff and he want to try and play through it...of course the problem is.... those three plays in the Oklahoma game really hurt us...
 
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Spartacavolus said:
It's been a discussion for various reasons the last 2 years. Josh had a case of the drops last year. It happens. There have been debates this year about what is a drop or not, what is a bad drop or not, etc.
For perspective, check out some of the names towards the top of the list below, which was through the first 2 games of the nfl. And maybe people will lighten up a little been when talking about good wr's not dropping passes or making every play.
The best in the world on this list have a 25% drop rate.
Mods can put this where they want, but it pertains to recent topics discussed on here and the expectations of some fans put on some of our players who are still a few games into their college careers is really out of whack.


Dropped Passes: 2014 NFL Season
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I don't have an issue with drops this year. It's not been too bad. Pig has dropped a couple but it hasn't been anything noteworthy.

My issue is not going after balls that should be caught. Drops happen. No effort should never happen.
 
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Pig Skin said:
I don't have an issue with drops this year. It's not been too bad. Pig has dropped a couple but it hasn't been anything noteworthy.

My issue is not going after balls that should be caught. Drops happen. No effort should never happen.
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you'll have to remind me who didn't try to make a catch and when, if you don't mind.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
you'll have to remind me who didn't try to make a catch and when, if you don't mind.
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Drops happen at all levels. I think it bothers a lot of posters more than usual because our margin for error is so razor thin.

Regarding Croom, anyone with eyeballs can see that he plays soft for his size. Yes he tried to catch that one in the endzone that was intercepted, but he was a good 5 inches taller and 40 lbs heavier than the DB and he let him get better position when the ball arrived. The guy should be tossing around DBs like rag dolls at the line of scrimmage to get open. As much as DaRick was a locker room distraction, he knew how to use his strength and size to get separation from DBs. Go back and look at what he did to honey badger against LSU - Croom has the physical tools to do that routinely, he just doesn't have the will or the toughness. It sounds harsh but I doubt he will flip the switch suddenly and be that kind of player. If he could, he would have done it by now. Jmo.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
It's been a discussion for various reasons the last 2 years. Josh had a case of the drops last year. It happens. There have been debates this year about what is a drop or not, what is a bad drop or not, etc.
For perspective, check out some of the names towards the top of the list below, which was through the first 2 games of the nfl. And maybe people will lighten up a little been when talking about good wr's not dropping passes or making every play.
The best in the world on this list have a 25% drop rate.
Mods can put this where they want, but it pertains to recent topics discussed on here and the expectations of some fans put on some of our players who are still a few games into their college careers is really out of whack.


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Not from the list you posted. Unless you think Jarius Wright,
Andre Caldwell, Lamar Miller (RB), Kyle Rudolph, Ricardo Lockett, Tavon Austin, John Carlson & Victor Cruz are the best in the world, then that is not the case. These are the only players (RB, WR & TE) in the entire NFL that have 25% or higher. That amounts to 8 out of nearly 400 players. 2%.

400 players (averaging 6.5 WR/4RB/ 2TE per NFL team)
 
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Victor Cruz would be ranked in the top 20 WR's in the world, would he not?
The point is that drops happen and many on vn freak out over it with major overreaction. There were 4 drops in the first 5 minutes of the pro game last night. And again, those guys are the best at what they do.
 
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fade route said:
Drops happen at all levels. I think it bothers a lot of posters more than usual because our margin for error is so razor thin.

Regarding Croom, anyone with eyeballs can see that he plays soft for his size. Yes he tried to catch that one in the endzone that was intercepted, but he was a good 5 inches taller and 40 lbs heavier than the DB and he let him get better position when the ball arrived. The guy should be tossing around DBs like rag dolls at the line of scrimmage to get open. As much as DaRick was a locker room distraction, he knew how to use his strength and size to get separation from DBs. Go back and look at what he did to honey badger against LSU - Croom has the physical tools to do that routinely, he just doesn't have the will or the toughness. It sounds harsh but I doubt he will flip the switch suddenly and be that kind of player. If he could, he would have done it by now. Jmo.
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It's good to have a little SOB in you when you step on the field. Not so good off but it's great inside the lines.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Victor Cruz would be ranked in the top 20 WR's in the world, would he not?
The point is that drops happen and many on vn freak out over it with major overreaction. There were 4 drops in the first 5 minutes of the pro game last night. And again, those guys are the best at what they do.
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You are correct. 2 games is a small sample size and the beginning of the season is sometimes notorious for drops. They are trying to get their timing down and not use to the speed of play. A NFL player with a 25% drop rate will soon find himself unemployed.
 
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I think the coaches will make some big changes this week in the WR corp. I will leave it to them. I am sure they have watched the tape and have seen all they need to.
 
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Out of 229 receivers listed 169 have not dropped a pass. Just sayin' you don't get paid for dropping passes; at least not for long.
 
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Guess we can all agree based on these standards Leonard Scott has been the best receiver to ever play at UT
 
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fade route said:
Drops happen at all levels. I think it bothers a lot of posters more than usual because our margin for error is so razor thin.

Regarding Croom, anyone with eyeballs can see that he plays soft for his size. Yes he tried to catch that one in the endzone that was intercepted, but he was a good 5 inches taller and 40 lbs heavier than the DB and he let him get better position when the ball arrived. The guy should be tossing around DBs like rag dolls at the line of scrimmage to get open. As much as DaRick was a locker room distraction, he knew how to use his strength and size to get separation from DBs. Go back and look at what he did to honey badger against LSU - Croom has the physical tools to do that routinely, he just doesn't have the will or the toughness. It sounds harsh but I doubt he will flip the switch suddenly and be that kind of player. If he could, he would have done it by now. Jmo.
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A wr in that position can't simply toss a db anywhere. Simply put, a wr going after a ball like that may need to turn to it and catch it facing the qb/ball and hands in the finger/thumb catching position. However, a wr in that instance may be thinking he's got to grab the ball and get his toes down and turning towards the ball, therefore putting the smaller db on his back, isn't an option if you think you are running out of room.
 
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1974Vol said:
Out of 229 receivers listed 169 have not dropped a pass. Just sayin' you don't get paid for dropping passes; at least not for long.
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that was thru 2 games and some had 0, 1 or 2 targets.
You are right, you don't get paid for dropping passes, but millionaire wr's do drop passes. 2013 the league lists multiple players with 10-12 drops, or close to a drop per game.

I'm sure there is a stat for drops for ncaa or sec wr's. It would be interesting.
 
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fade route said:
Drops happen at all levels. I think it bothers a lot of posters more than usual because our margin for error is so razor thin.

Regarding Croom, anyone with eyeballs can see that he plays soft for his size. Yes he tried to catch that one in the endzone that was intercepted, but he was a good 5 inches taller and 40 lbs heavier than the DB and he let him get better position when the ball arrived. The guy should be tossing around DBs like rag dolls at the line of scrimmage to get open. As much as DaRick was a locker room distraction, he knew how to use his strength and size to get separation from DBs. Go back and look at what he did to honey badger against LSU - Croom has the physical tools to do that routinely, he just doesn't have the will or the toughness. It sounds harsh but I doubt he will flip the switch suddenly and be that kind of player. If he could, he would have done it by now. Jmo.
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I have to say Fade, this is a good post. You didn't bash Croom and you gave an opinion without slandering the young mans character.

While I don't agree with all your points, mostly the bolded, you gave a fine argument for your point of view.
 
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vols4evah said:
oh my , you are going to get all these armchair coaches mad now.

What will they do if they cant blame the loss on a player ?
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Recently a Volnation poster made reference to an "armchair genesis". I let it slide eventhough I thought it was an instant classic similar to "pocket presents" since it was after a loss but I think it would fit here nicely.

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Spartacavolus said:
It's been a discussion for various reasons the last 2 years. Josh had a case of the drops last year. It happens. There have been debates this year about what is a drop or not, what is a bad drop or not, etc.
For perspective, check out some of the names towards the top of the list below, which was through the first 2 games of the nfl. And maybe people will lighten up a little been when talking about good wr's not dropping passes or making every play.
The best in the world on this list have a 25% drop rate.
Mods can put this where they want, but it pertains to recent topics discussed on here and the expectations of some fans put on some of our players who are still a few games into their college careers is really out of whack.


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Great receivers have some drops, but they also consistently make great plays. Josh Smith last year was an example of someone who dropped too many passes for someone not making plays. Croom is this year's example since Smith has worked out his issues. If a receiver is going to have drop issues then they must make up for it on the field or they will quickly find themselves buried on the depth chart.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Recently a Volnation poster made reference to an "armchair genesis". I let it slide eventhough I thought it was an instant classic similar to "pocket presents" since it was after a loss but I think it would fit here nicely.

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Ha! Armchair genesis... that's gold, Jerry, gold!!
 
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