Dunta Fined $40K...I'm Calling BS

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superdave1984 said:
You can punish them. Just not up high. Put your shoulderpads in his chest or his gut. He'll go down just as hard but isn't likely to get a concussion unless it's from his head bouncing off the turf when he goes down.
I love to see big hits as much as anybody, but going up high is just dirty no matter how you look at it.
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Yeah, just as long as you don't launch yourself. Kind of hard to get a good lick when you're worried about the ref's interpretation of "launching" or the WR ducking low and moving the strike zone on you.

It's going to be interesting comparing average RAC numbers with the past.
 
#27
#27
I wouldn't demonize the NFL over cracking down on these types of hits. There are several factors at play, including a real concern for player safety and CYA for future litigation from NFL alumni. The NFL is currently being sued by former players for "ignoring" concussion injuries. I think the lawsuit is baseless because the realization that concussions can cause more long-term issues is just now coming into focus over the last few years. Back in the day (or even five years ago) the prevailing thought was that a concussion was no big deal and a player should go back out on the field as soon as he knows what day it is.

On the Maclin hit, though, I don't think it's clear cut. I agree with the notion that Maclin had taken three steps and was NOT defenseless, but Robinson did go high and left one foot. It's not a black and white incident.

Honestly, I thought the $40k was light considering he was a repeat offender. It seems that they took all the factors into account.

JMO, YMMV
 
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HSVol said:
I wouldn't demonize the NFL over cracking down on these types of hits. There are several factors at play, including a real concern for player safety and CYA for future litigation from NFL alumni. The NFL is currently being sued by former players for "ignoring" concussion injuries. I think the lawsuit is baseless because the realization that concussions can cause more long-term issues is just now coming into focus over the last few years. Back in the day (or even five years ago) the prevailing thought was that a concussion was no big deal and a player should go back out on the field as soon as he knows what day it is.

On the Maclin hit, though, I don't think it's clear cut. I agree with the notion that Maclin had taken three steps and was NOT defenseless, but Robinson did go high and left one foot. It's not a black and white incident.

Honestly, I thought the $40k was light considering he was a repeat offender. It seems that they took all the factors into account.

JMO, YMMV
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I agree, but why not penalize Maclin for not hitting the deck? He and his team are the ones putting him in danger. He put the defender in this dangerous tricky situation where Robinson has to make a play at full speed. Why isn't it on the offense as much as it's on the defense? The defense is only reacting.

Marvin Harrison didn't need a rule. Stupid WR's do. Defensive play is getting limited by the stupidity of offensive players. It's not right and it's ruining the game.
 
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nbakerld said:
I agree, but why not penalize Maclin for not hitting the deck?
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You're advocating that an offensive player should be penalized for not giving up on a play, but also continuing the argument that more strict enforcement of helmet-to-helmet hits is making the NFL soft...

Or am I misreading this? If not, that's an interesting duality.
 
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HSVol said:
You're advocating that an offensive player should be penalized for not giving up on a play, but also continuing the argument that more strict enforcement of helmet-to-helmet hits is making the NFL soft...

Or am I misreading this? If not, that's an interesting duality.
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I'm arguing that the WR is the one who is responsible for protecting himself, not the defender. I was being facetious in arguing the offensive player should be flagged.

When I said "I agree" I was stating I agree that they made the rule to protect players (rather than to ensure more offense). I don't agree that there needs to be a rule.
 
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It's like this, the defender has to make a hit on the guy at full speed, but he has a small strike zone to work with, he can't launch himself (usually necessary for a 185 lb corner to get the best of a collision on a 215 lb WR), he can't face mask, he can't clothesline*, he can't horse-collar, he can't make contact with the guy's helmet even if the WR erratically moves the positioning of his head, etc.

The only way Robinson can ensure he doesn't get a penalty is to allow Maclin to initiate the collision.

*These rules make sense, but if he stands and waits to drag down the WR rather than initiating contact, he's more likely to accidentally grab a facemask or collar.
 
#36
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pretty much the only way he can initiate the tackle is to knock maclin the **** out. that's exactly what he did - textbook. kudos to him
 
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nbakerld said:
Yeah, just as long as you don't launch yourself. Kind of hard to get a good lick when you're worried about the ref's interpretation of "launching" or the WR ducking low and moving the strike zone on you.

It's going to be interesting comparing average RAC numbers with the past.
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You are high if you think that Maclin moved to get in a target area where Dunta would be flagged. You can punish a receiver without breaking the rules, its simple and good DBs do it every Sunday. Using your body and helmet to "spear" a player and launch your body should be outlawed and the rule is a good one. The arguement that you are trying to make about the league has more passing yards due to a rule like this is borderline insane.
 
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nbakerld said:
The only way Robinson can ensure he doesn't get a penalty is to allow Maclin to initiate the collision.
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This is just dead wrong, of course he can make the play and a great hit without spearing and leaving his feet, its called proper tackling form. Like I said, there are plenty of defenders that make that hit and tackle without breaking the rules. Maybe Dunta might realize this after he breaks his freakin neck from using it as a battering ram.
 
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nbakerld said:
I'm arguing that the WR is the one who is responsible for protecting himself, not the defender. I was being facetious in arguing the offensive player should be flagged.

When I said "I agree" I was stating I agree that they made the rule to protect players (rather than to ensure more offense). I don't agree that there needs to be a rule.
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Roger. Sarcasm meter broke. Now recalibrated. :)
 
#40
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BearCat204 said:
This is just dead wrong, of course he can make the play and a great hit without spearing and leaving his feet, its called proper tackling form. Like I said, there are plenty of defenders that make that hit and tackle without breaking the rules. Maybe Dunta might realize this after he breaks his freakin neck from using it as a battering ram.
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Somebody get this man a job as a coach in the NFL.
Tackling has become a lost skill given up in favor of the big hit that makes sports center. Get the guy with the ball on the ground. End of story. You don't need to make the highlight reels to do it. I think Ronnie Lott was the first guy to really popularize just hitting guys. I don't recall him wrapping anybody up. He just blasted them and they went down.
 
#41
#41
Since I frequently go to falcons games I think falcon players should be allowed to decapitate opposing players!! F the egles!
 
#42
#42
I'm calling BS too. He should have been suspended a game.

nbakerld said:
This is crap. $40k for this "illegal" hit. How can Maclin be considered defenseless when he takes 3 steps before getting nailed?! If you don't want to get jacked, then hit the deck. Marvin Harrison perfected this, and that's why he never got jacked. He didn't need a rule to protect him. Now you can't punish teams for sending their WR across the middle. They know it's flag football for a few moments after the catch. No wonder everybody is passing for 400+.

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Rules are set up in favor of the offense. Why? Because offense is exciting and appeases the people who know nothing about football.
 
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Cartervol said:
Rules are set up in favor of the offense. Why? Because offense is exciting and appeases the people who know nothing about football.
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What Dunta was doing here wasn't defense. If you think otherwise maybe it is you who should learn a little more about football.
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BearCat204 said:
What Dunta was doing here wasn't defense. If you think otherwise maybe it is you who should learn a little more about football.
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Well as far as this instance yeah that's a flag. Overall the rules are set up to help the offense, to attract the casual fan. Dude i'll tell you the same thing i told one other guy. I've probably forgotten more about the game than you'll ever know:salute:
 
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Cartervol said:
Well as far as this instance yeah that's a flag. Overall the rules are set up to help the offense, to attract the casual fan. Dude i'll tell you the same thing i told one other guy. I've probably forgotten more about the game than you'll ever know:salute:
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Sure you have bro, sure you have.
 
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