Early Enrollees and a smarter class

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What once was considered a strange phenomenon is now being used by this staff in a major way. We may end up with half our class this year as early enrollees.

Something being discussed less than character that is also extremely important is the intellect of this current class. Dooley does not want kids who made a 12 on the ACT and finally qualified after "homeschooling" like D Morley. When kids cannot read, unless you have widespread and effective cheating (as many programs do) you cannot keep the players eligible. They are also set up for problems later in life. Darwin Walker, Cosey Coleman, Chad Clifton, Peyton Manning. Those guys never cheated in college. Travis Henry could not read.

When guys can succeed academically with some hard work, and then they go to a basket weaving major, they can basically major in football because without cramming sessions they can make good grades in an easy major.

We are getting guys who will not screw us and switch schools at the last minute, guys who will not have trouble qualifying (which even when they make it in means HUGE ongoing headaches for the staff) or guys who are going to get arrested again. Dooley is building a class of sure things in terms of building depth and reliability.

Once we have 10 EEs in the program, he will better be able to evaluate what risks he can take to finish out the class. I think this group has some Michael Taylors in terms of guys whose senior season will see them rated higher, but more importantly, I think that the staff is finding guys who fit needs and who they can get in the program lifting with Wylie, learning their positions and building depth. There is zero chance they can build a #1 class, but there is also zero chance that they will bring in a group of "we're no angels" hellions who besmirch our University. Every single person I mentioned above as being intelligent has lots of talent as well. It is not an either/or proposition and I believe that we are well on the way to getting both.
 
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When guys can succeed academically with some hard work, and then they go to a basket weaving major, they can basically major in football because without cramming sessions they can make good grades in an easy major.


So you want our smarter recruits to select an easy degree so they can "major in football"?

Seriously?

that is lame

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So you want our smarter recruits to select an easy degree so they can "major in football"?

Seriously?

that is lame

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Darwin had one of the hardest majors offered at the University...

Some of the others guys I knew pretty well, did the intelligent thing and majored in Urban Studies or Child and Family Studies or whatever other major had some football friendly coaches at the time according to Miss J and they focused on football.

If you are not an All SEC performer and you are not going to make it in the NFL, try to major in something that will build your career.

If you have the potential to be a multimillionaire if you succeed in college football and you do not do quite as well because you were too focused on making an A in your Southern Literature, German, Computer Science, Engineering and Architecture classes, you are an idiot.

The truth is that you can read books after your football career is over and you can probably listen to lectures online by guys who are smarter than your professors. You can only hit the NFL lottery for a brief moment of your life, and if you do you will move in terms of capital for future investment well past the brilliant hard studying kids who "valued" their degree more than you did.
 
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Darwin had one of the hardest majors offered at the University...

Some of the others guys I knew pretty well, did the intelligent thing and majored in Urban Studies or Child and Family Studies or whatever other major had some football friendly coaches at the time according to Miss J and they focused on football.

If you are not an All SEC performer and you are not going to make it in the NFL, try to major in something that will build your career.

If you have the potential to be a multimillionaire if you succeed in college football and you do not do quite as well because you were too focused on making an A in your Southern Literature, German, Computer Science, Engineering and Architecture classes, you are an idiot.

The truth is that you can read books after your football career is over and you can probably listen to lectures online by guys who are smarter than your professors. You can only hit the NFL lottery for a brief moment of your life, and if you do you will move in terms of capital for future investment well past the brilliant hard studying kids who "valued" their degree more than you did.

7 Vols went in this year's draft (~8% of 85 scholarships).

There have been so many guys that were great college players that never made it in the NFL.

Your advice may work for the elite athletes, but sounds more like a recipe for a tough life after football for most college players.
 
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When guys can succeed academically with some hard work, and then they go to a basket weaving major, they can basically major in football because without cramming sessions they can make good grades in an easy major.

Sure, why not. In fact, the latin word for University means - institution of higher learning that whores itself out in exchange for success on the football field.

If there is one problem in CFB that is bigger and more disgusting than the agent problem its that schools wink at educating their scholarship athletes.
 
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I would say an EE that goes through 15 spring practices can make up at least 1 star, IMO. Especially since a lot of that is a bunch of BS anyways. So could signing a bunch of 3 star early enrollees be just as good as signing a bunch of 4 stars that don't arrive until fall camp?
 
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Although I agree with some of the OP's points, just because a kid is smarter and an EE, that doesn't mean he won't screw us over and leave for another program.
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I would say an EE that goes through 15 spring practices can make up at least 1 star, IMO. Especially since a lot of that is a bunch of BS anyways. So could signing a bunch of 3 star early enrollees be just as good as signing a bunch of 4 stars that don't arrive until fall camp?

This^^^
 
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Although I agree with some of the OP's points, just because a kid is smarter and an EE, that doesn't mean he won't screw us over and leave for another program.
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Our Gainesville kid seems mad at UF not waiting on their offer. Michael Taylor wanted a UF offer and left when he got one. I do not think our EEs are leaving.
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I agree that this strategy may work to bring some stability this year and maybe to a lesser extent next year, but if Dooley goes after these types of players year after year, he'll be back in the WAC in no time.
 
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I would say an EE that goes through 15 spring practices can make up at least 1 star, IMO. Especially since a lot of that is a bunch of BS anyways. So could signing a bunch of 3 star early enrollees be just as good as signing a bunch of 4 stars that don't arrive until fall camp?

Good post in a good thread, to many +1's to go around. Strategy works for me if they all have motors and will fly to the ball. That's half of it. You need brains to make a good play and the skills to get there.
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I agree that this strategy may work to bring some stability this year and maybe to a lesser extent next year, but if Dooley goes after these types of players year after year, he'll be back in the WAC in no time.

You get labelled Nega but this point is reasonable. DD's doing what he knows to do for now. He reminds me more of an engineer than a lawyer, calculating odds.
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Good post in a good thread, to many +1's to go around. Strategy works for me if they all have motors and will fly to the ball. That's half of it. You need brains to make a good play and the skills to get there.
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I like the fact that they're getting big boys. If you can get big boys who can stay in school then you are building depth on the line of scrimmage, which we desperately need.
 
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I like the fact that they're getting big boys. If you can get big boys who can stay in school then you are building depth on the line of scrimmage, which we desperately need.

I am in total agreement. I'll always want more of everything in recruiting but it's like Poker, you play the hand you are dealt.
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We talk alot about stars, but I'm a big fan of 3-star lineman. 3-star DB's, WR's, and RB's always seem to get "recruited over" because there is always someone out there who is quicker/faster. But 3-star lineman can develop into great players or provide depth as long as they stay in the program.
 
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I believe that we will get to 7 wins which should be viewed as a triumph and I think dooley will close strong.

By the way, no thread for it but daniel hood has finally been able to gain 20 pounds or so. He could be ready to contribute at tackle before some of the other guys get there.
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For the folks worrying about many of these players doing college level work and taking an easy course to get a degree I have to say this to you. Think about it if you have a minute.

If "some" of these players (they know who they are if they admit to themselves) can just get a good HIGH SCHOOL education while they are playing football at a University they will be way ahead of what they otherwise might have done. Many of them have not advanced beyond what they learned in the 8th grade-being treated like celebrities in lots of cases.

The days are gone where if a kid couldn't read well by 3rd or 4th grade they were put back until they could read.
 
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For the folks worrying about many of these players doing college level work and taking an easy course to get a degree I have to say this to you. Think about it if you have a minute.

If "some" of these players (they know who they are if they admit to themselves) can just get a good HIGH SCHOOL education while they are playing football at a University they will be way ahead of what they otherwise might have done. Many of them have not advanced beyond what they learned in the 8th grade-being treated like celebrities in lots of cases.

The days are gone where if a kid couldn't read well by 3rd or 4th grade they were put back until they could read.

A player you would recognize to me as I tutored him

"You might be nerdy enough to have studied for fun, but in 8th grade when they told me as long as I kept doing my thing on the football field I was all set, I stopped trying in the classroom."
 
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I agree that you need smart players to win but you also need 3 or 4 guys who just know football and know how to make plays. If we can get a good mix then we'll be alright.
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