Early Enrollees and a smarter class

#26
#26
volwarrior33 said:
I agree that this strategy may work to bring some stability this year and maybe to a lesser extent next year, but if Dooley goes after these types of players year after year, he'll be back in the WAC in no time.
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I think there's one possible WAC level talent currently committed to UT. The others may or may not develop into good players but they have the potential.
 
#27
#27
LOL @ 15 spring practices makes up 1-star. Are you freaking kidding me? Either you have talent or not. 15 spring practices isn't going to do anything to change that or magically give you more talent.

The only thing EE's do is it gives kids a jump as true freshman and that only ends up mattering if they are good enough to make an immediate impact.
 
#28
#28
Montrell I think you guys are disagreeing about what stars mean.

You rarely ever find a diamond in the rough from Texas, because in Texas most of the talented kids have weight programs and nutritionists and great coaching at the HS level.

South Florida? As long as they can get academically eligible, you have tons of potential diamonds in the rough down there.

If you get some guys in who are 3 star because they need better coaching and better weight training and better food, and they are around all spring, they are able to contribute in the fall as a 4 star would.

Does that make more sense?
 
#29
#29
MH, EE's are very important. Seven months for a kid with similar but undeveloped talent can push them ahead of a kid who only has the two summer months.

Getting in the S&C program, training table, and those extra 15 practices can be HUGE. Sometimes the later guys will still shine because of their talent. Sometimes the lower rated guy will never look back.
 
#30
#30
I think the common misconception here is that, as an athlete, you have talent or you don't. You can develop that talent, but I think it is undisputed that if you have natural talent, then you have a natural advantage. Guys that lack the natural ability to be great usually work hard to develop the fundamentals and thrive at it if they have the drive to be good.

After all, these guys are playing D-1 football, so it would be agaisnt common sense in my mind to say these guys have talent. Some just more than others, which is supposed to be represented in the stars from evaluators.
 
#31
#31
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Montrell I think you guys are disagreeing about what stars mean.

You rarely ever find a diamond in the rough from Texas, because in Texas most of the talented kids have weight programs and nutritionists and great coaching at the HS level.

South Florida? As long as they can get academically eligible, you have tons of potential diamonds in the rough down there.

If you get some guys in who are 3 star because they need better coaching and better weight training and better food, and they are around all spring, they are able to contribute in the fall as a 4 star would.

Does that make more sense?
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Yes that makes sense if you are counting on them to make an impact as a true freshman. If you are planning on redshirting a kid in the first place then being an EE really doesn't mean anything.
 
#32
#32
sjt18 said:
MH, EE's are very important. Seven months for a kid with similar but undeveloped talent can push them ahead of a kid who only has the two summer months.

Getting in the S&C program, training table, and those extra 15 practices can be HUGE. Sometimes the later guys will still shine because of their talent. Sometimes the lower rated guy will never look back.
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I agree it is important if they are needed or expected to contribute right away for the upcoming season. That is why having JC EE's is very important. You dont bring in a JC if he isn't going to play immediately and that is where being an EE pays dividends.
 
#33
#33
MH we agree on that.

Due to the depth issues we have, unlike Saban or what I think Dooley would like to do long term, we cannot afford to redshirt guys at this point as a program unless they are medical.

People wanted to redshirt all kinds of guys including threads on here wanting to redshirt Meline. A few years from now we should be able to redshirt a project who needs to gain or lose weight and let him contribute right away the next year. As it is, we have maybe one guy who could redshirt barring injury in Nash Nance, and I cannot think of many others. If Pair is still really skinny he could maybe use it, but I think we lack the OL depth to allow it. We will see.
 
#34
#34
sjt18 said:
I think there's one possible WAC level talent currently committed to UT. The others may or may not develop into good players but they have the potential.
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What I'm saying is, if every 12 players we get are as talented as these 12 players, things won't be improving much if the goal is to win championships. These players are solid and a few will probably contribute, but if they're all you have, you won't be winning championships.
 
#35
#35
MikeHamiltonFan said:
MH we agree on that.

Due to the depth issues we have, unlike Saban or what I think Dooley would like to do long term, we cannot afford to redshirt guys at this point as a program unless they are medical.

People wanted to redshirt all kinds of guys including threads on here wanting to redshirt Meline. A few years from now we should be able to redshirt a project who needs to gain or lose weight and let him contribute right away the next year. As it is, we have maybe one guy who could redshirt barring injury in Nash Nance, and I cannot think of many others. If Pair is still really skinny he could maybe use it, but I think we lack the OL depth to allow it. We will see.
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Fulton and Stone need to redshirt. It would be a shame if one if their years of eligibility was used this year.
 
#36
#36
It seems to me that the number 1 criteria used to determine stars is the players size to speed ratio. Which is a product of fast twitch muscle to over all body mass. Getting a guy in early is not going to change this area much, but what it will do is give that kid a six-month head start in the program, strength training, diet, getting used to the speed of the college game, as well as the head start academically. IMO, this can be the difference these type players need. Even if the don't play their first year, it can mean the difference in being ready by their sophmore year, rather than their junior year to contribute. If you can get 3 productive years out of most of your players you have an advantage.
 
#37
#37
Morpheus said:
It seems to me that the number 1 criteria used to determine stars is the players size to speed ratio. Which is a product of fast twitch muscle to over all body mass. Getting a guy in early is not going to change this area much, but what it will do is give that kid a six-month head start in the program, strength training, diet, getting used to the speed of the college game, as well as the head start academically. IMO, this can be the difference these type players need. Even if the don't play their first year, it can mean the difference in being ready by their sophmore year, rather than their junior year to contribute. If you can get 3 productive years out of most of your players you have an advantage.
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oh no.... lets not open that can of worms again...
 
#38
#38
The part of being quick that's in your nervous system is difficult if not impossible to change. However, if a kid has that their quickness/explosiveness can definitely be enhanced with S&C.
 
#39
#39
sjt18 said:
The part of being quick that's in your nervous system is difficult if not impossible to change. However, if a kid has that their quickness/explosiveness can definitely be enhanced with S&C.
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can be enhanced, but there is a ceiling for everyone. Some ceilings are dramatically higher than others. Said ceiling was the bane of my athletic career.
 
#41
#41
Capn Jack said:
We talk alot about stars, but I'm a big fan of 3-star lineman. 3-star DB's, WR's, and RB's always seem to get "recruited over" because there is always someone out there who is quicker/faster. But 3-star lineman can develop into great players or provide depth as long as they stay in the program.
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Tom Osbourne made a living at Nebraska with 2-3 star linemen. He had a system that made our 4-5 stars look pretty average even with an all NFL quarterback.
 
#42
#42
onevol74 said:
Tom Osbourne made a living at Nebraska with 2-3 star linemen. He had a system that made our 4-5 stars look pretty average even with an all NFL quarterback.
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if we'll institute a systematic roids program, we can do the same.
 
#46
#46
justingroves said:
I agree but they are going to be thrown in the fire before the season is over with.
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they will most likely get PT in every game this year imo.

Shaw and Schofield can't play every single down this year and who on that bench is gonna play over Fulton and Stone? I mean, all we have behind them at OG is Revis, Anderson, and 5 freshman walk-ons.
 
#49
#49
WestCoastJoe said:
Sure, why not. In fact, the latin word for University means - institution of higher learning that whores itself out in exchange for success on the football field.

If there is one problem in CFB that is more bigger and more disgusting than the agent problem its that schools wink at educating their scholarship athletes.
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really??
 
#50
#50
Lord Vader said:
they will most likely get PT in every game this year imo.

Shaw and Schofield can't play every single down this year and who on that bench is gonna play over Fulton and Stone? I mean, all we have behind them at OG is Revis, Anderson, and 5 freshman walk-ons.
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Coming in late, but where is James (Ja'Wuan) in this picture?

P.S. - I had to look-up the correct spelling of James' first name, ridiculous.
 
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