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#26
#26
Don’t forget The U is part of that equation too.
If The U and FSU were back to the late 90’s early 2000’s level of talent and play the ACC would be looked at so much differently. In theory, when the ACC expanded they would’ve had quality teams of Miami, FSU, VT and Clemson. All of those teams have played for or won Titles the past 25 years. But… only Clemson is good and I’m not sure which direction they’re trending .
 
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#27
If The U and FSU were back to the late 90’s early 2000’s level of talent and play the ACC would be looked at so much differently. In theory, when the ACC expanded they would’ve had quality teams of Miami, FSU, VT and Clemson. All of those teams have played for or won Titles the past 25 years. But… only Clemson is good and I’m not sure which direction they’re trending .
You could say they were both much better off being an independent like Notre Dame
 
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You could say they were both much better off being an independent like Notre Dame
Didn’t FSU have some ridiculous run where they went 14 straight years where they finished in the top 5? If there were a 12 team CFP back in those days I’m sure Bowden would’ve had more titles.
 
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Didn’t FSU have some ridiculous run where they went 14 straight years where they finished in the top 5? If there were a 12 team CFP back in those days I’m sure Bowden would’ve had more titles.
Yes. They finished in the top 5 every single year from 1987 to 2000. There is no telling how many titles Bowden would have won with a 4 or 12 team playoff in those days.

How about Nebraska? They finished in the top 12 every year except for 6 between 1963 and 2001. They won "only" 5 national titles between those years, but they would have made a 12-team playoff 32 times.
 
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Still sits as the second highest watched game so far this year, behind only a Thanksgiving Day Showcase on a major network between Illinois and Arky.

Like RDU said earlier, it’s the safest bet espn can make every year.
 
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#31
Ok. This should be a fun exercise

Ohio State vs Michigan
Auburn vs Bama
Duke vs UNC
OU vs Texas
Army vs Navy
Kentucky vs Louisville (Basketball)


Overall I think it’s harder to include current pro sports unless you do it historically. The rivalries aren’t the same as when I grew up watching Bulls vs Pistons or Knicks vs Heat, Redskins vs Cowboys or 49ers vs Cowboys .

Red Sox vs Yankees
Lakers vs Celtics
Bears vs Packers
Giants vs Dodgers
Ohio State vs Michigan
Iron Bowl
Duke vs UNC
Maybe Steelers vs Ravens

I don’t follow hockey close enough to give an opinion, but the point of what I originally wrote is that Duke vs UNC basketball certainly belongs in the discussion of best college rivalries and given its excellence, longevity and how close the series has been for the past 40 + years it’s one of the best rivalries in all of sports .

I’m sure everyone will chime in on how this list sucks or whatever, but this is off the top of my head.
This is a great list. I’ve always equated the best college football rivalries with their equivalents in basketball. Ohio State-Michigan is like Duke-UNC and the Iron Bowl has the same feel as Kentucky vs Louisville.
 
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#32
This is a great list. I’ve always equated the best college football rivalries with their equivalents in basketball. Ohio State-Michigan is like Duke-UNC and the Iron Bowl has the same feel as Kentucky vs Louisville.
I think with football being so big and college basketball really being far away from what it once was, there are so many more storied football rivalries that take center stage. The Big East used to be amazing with Syracuse, St John’s, Georgetown, UConn. Those rivalries were all fun to watch and the Big East tournament played in Madison Square Garden on a Saturday night was far, far and away the best in college basketball . Iverson vs Ray Allen was must watch basketball. This is coming from a guy who has been to tons of ACC tournament games in Greensboro, Charlotte and Atlanta. Those games deliver at times too, but MSG back in the 80’s and 90’s was a much better product than anything we have today.
 
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#38
It’s for casuals and weak ass bandwagon fans that refuse to jump off. Still makes me sick there’s a permanent Duke/UNC thread. If you’re a UT football fan, you should be a UT basketball fan too. It’s not rocket science. There’s exceptions that make sense like if you grew up a UT fan but went to another college. But if that’s the case you should still be rooting for UT basketball and Duke football for example.
 
#39
#39
It’s for casuals and weak ass bandwagon fans that refuse to jump off. Still makes me sick there’s a permanent Duke/UNC thread. If you’re a UT football fan, you should be a UT basketball fan too. It’s not rocket science. There’s exceptions that make sense like if you grew up a UT fan but went to another college. But if that’s the case you should still be rooting for UT basketball and Duke football for example.
The world you get to live in must really be something special
 
#40
#40
That's a good list. One rivalry that I expect to get incredibly heated (again) over the next several years is Texas and Texas A&M. Particularly from A&M fans directed at Texas. Texas doesn't like A&M, but they look at them as a "less than" or an object worthy of pity more than a hatred. A&M fans look at Texas with this amazing mix of hatred, jealousy, and paranoia that is difficult to describe. The complexity of the feelings seems to run deeper than the feelings between Michigan and Ohio St or Alabama and Auburn.

That could end up being a great college baseball rivalry in particular because of what happened last season with Schlossnagle.
Maybe Elcko will be a decent challenge to Sark as an in-game coach. Sark is no Saban.
 
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Maybe Elcko will be a decent challenge to Sark as an in-game coach. Sark is no Saban.
Not sure, but I like the contrast in their personal styles as a neutral. They seem to embody their respective fanbases pretty well. Elko seems kind of gruff, no-nonsense, not flashy. Sark is the opposite of that. It seems to work for them both.
 
#42
#42
Not sure, but I like the contrast in their personal styles as a neutral. They seem to embody their respective fanbases pretty well. Elko seems kind of gruff, no-nonsense, not flashy. Sark is the opposite of that. It seems to work for them both.
Elko has certainly been impressive. First at Duke. And A&M and SEC play did not seem to initmidate him at all. Instant & vast improvement over Jimbo. For whatever reasons, Jimbo never cleared the hurdle to be that HOF coach everyone (mainly the pundits) always thought he was (going to be). Elko might actaully give A&M an identity.
 
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Elko has certainly been impressive. First at Duke. And A&M and SEC play did not seem to initmidate him at all. Instant & vast improvement over Jimbo. For whatever reasons, Jimbo never cleared the hurdle to be that HOF coach everyone (mainly the pundits) always thought he was (going to be). Elko might actaully give A&M an identity.
Jimbo never evolved his offense. I think that was his biggest problem. There were also huge cultural problems within the team, but stuff like that is a chicken or the egg thing that is difficult to figure out from the outside. Did they lose because they had cultural problems, or did they have cultural problems because they were losing?

The defense was usually pretty good and had an identity, and that was because of Elko.
 
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#44
Jimbo never evolved his offense. I think that was his biggest problem. There were also huge cultural problems within the team, but stuff like that is a chicken or the egg thing that is difficult to figure out from the outside. Did they lose because they had cultural problems, or did they have cultural problems because they were losing?

The defense was usually pretty good and had an identity, and that was because of Elko.
Which was also his biggest mystery since he was billed as an Offensive mind when OC at LSU and even at FSU as HC. Maybe he was for the time, but Fulmered himself as the game evolved. I remember when the LSU base was expecting him to follow Saban as HC there, then he bolted for FSU to get an earlier start.
 
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Which was also his biggest mystery since he was billed as an Offensive mind when OC at LSU and even at FSU as HC. Maybe he was for the time, but Fulmered himself as the game evolved. I remember when the LSU base was expecting him to follow Saban as HC there, then he bolted for FSU to get an earlier start.
He also only had elite teams with Crab Legs as his QB. He had multiple good teams without him, but not one that contended for a title. Perhaps he had more to do with it himself than was first realized.
 
#46
#46
He also only had elite teams with Crab Legs as his QB. He had multiple good teams without him, but not one that contended for a title. Perhaps he had more to do with it himself than was first realized.
Possibly had too much Fulmer in him and never turned it over to an OC. As busts go, he is a big one for HC's in my book. Not that he didn't field good teams, but he never achieved what he should/could as a HC. He never left an empty bucket on the field at the end of a season. Maybe he was trash behind the scenes in the locker room or something.
 
#47
#47
He also only had elite teams with Crab Legs as his QB. He had multiple good teams without him, but not one that contended for a title. Perhaps he had more to do with it himself than was first realized.
Jimbo was a Cloak and Dagger coach. The cloak was a 10mil salary. The dagger was only being worth 3mil.
 

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