Easy Question, why has no one asked CJH this?

[KnoxCentral92]

Why is there such a difference in the speed of snaps of the offense from year 1 to year 4? Or Year 2? Is it him letting OC truly call plays? CJH needs to revert to what got him this job...

 

[camp_steveo]

The difference is these players can't execute. That was plainly obvious from the nosebleeds

 

[GAVol]

To go fast, you need good o-line play, no penalties, 1st downs and explosive plays. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[KnoxCentral92]

I agree to an extent, but how many times did they hit the rb out of the backfired? How many times did they cross us up on d line and have snoopamanuelavue running for his life

 

[DaddyChad]

Why is there such a difference in the speed of snaps of the offense from year 1 to year 4? Or Year 2? Is it him letting OC truly call plays? CJH needs to revert to what got him this job...

Offense was the strength a few years ago. You had a guy that was used to college speed and knew the system. This year the defense was more the strength of this team. Oline wasn’t great all year, WRs mediocre, QB showed some flashes of greatness and some youth as well.

 

[0059862]

Why is there such a difference in the speed of snaps of the offense from year 1 to year 4? Or Year 2? Is it him letting OC truly call plays? CJH needs to revert to what got him this job...

Difference in QB is the obvious answer. Hendon Hooker was the only one that could execute correctly. This is definitely not on Heupel who has to make do with what he's got and probably has immense pressure to stick with the one who cost the boosters so much money. I doubt it gets any better next year - hope I'm wrong.

 

[KnoxCentral92]

Offense was the strength a few years ago. You had a guy that was used to college speed and knew the system. This year the defense was more the strength of this team. Oline wasn’t great all year, WRs mediocre, QB showed some flashes of greatness and some youth as well.

I agree. But the counter to inferior ol was go fast. Lack of defense go fast. We had a decent defense this yr. Not elite. This should show coach, it's time to revert.
I've heard so many say defense travels.. nope. Talent travels

 

[KnoxCentral92]

Difference in QB is the obvious answer. Hendon Hooker was the only one that could execute correctly. This is definitely not on Heupel who has to make do with what he's got and probably has immense pressure to stick with the one who cost the boosters so much money. I doubt it gets any better next year - hope I'm wrong.

I disagree. Hooker didn't win job out spring. He was on bench. It was not a decision made to improve team. He turned out great. But in reality he never would have seen the field if Milton don't get hurt

 

[DaddyChad]

I agree. But the counter to inferior ol was go fast. Lack of defense go fast. We had a decent defense this yr. Not elite. This should show coach, it's time to revert.
I've heard so many say defense travels.. nope. Talent travels

WRs getting open might help with the going fast. We just didn’t have a reliable healthy option there.

 

[DaddyChad]

I disagree. Hooker didn't win job out spring. He was on bench. It was not a decision made to improve team. He turned out great. But in reality he never would have seen the field if Milton don't get hurt

Milton looked better in practice. Hooker just is so damn good at improvising and gets better in game. Milton of course looks better in practice and worsens in game. I think Hooker eventually would have won the starter position but it would’ve probably been after a few losses. Jmo though.

 

[KnoxCentral92]

Milton looked better in practice. Hooker just is so damn good at improvising and gets better in game. Milton of course looks better in practice and worsens in game. I think Hooker eventually would have won the starter position but it would’ve probably been after a few losses. Jmo though.

Valid. It's a question that won't be answered..

 

[VolBricks]

I do not believe we have a competent OC.

 

[207 others]

When you can:
- only pass consistently for 5 yard gains to mid tier wr from a mid tier qb with a mid tier OL
- have 0 wr that can be elite or else you
-just run in predictable fashion without an elite OL, causing teams to stack 8 players in the box

THEN you can't do uptempo as it only hurts you
-the spread becomes a liability, BUT

Elite players:
when you can air it 50 yards for having the above
or run 60 different play calls for having the above
have an OL to give 6 yard runs every play if you don't stack the box

or enough time to give GOOD wrs 45 yards near automatically

with a good qb, it is hell on earth to defend.

No other answer is correct

 

[stolitonic]

Difference in QB is the obvious answer. Hendon Hooker was the only one that could execute correctly. This is definitely not on Heupel who has to make do with what he's got and probably has immense pressure to stick with the one who cost the boosters so much money. I doubt it gets any better next year - hope I'm wrong.

Would that not be the concerning point though?

Hooker kinda fell into Heupels lap/ had already signed before Pruitt was fired

Milton, Nico, Gaston, Meerkenger, etc were hand selected by Heupel and have either shown they can't run the offense (Milton) or it is taking time to catch on.

If the only time your system is gonna work is when you get a gift from the Gods you didn't ask for, then that might be a problem

 

[0059862]

I disagree. Hooker didn't win job out spring. He was on bench. It was not a decision made to improve team. He turned out great. But in reality he never would have seen the field if Milton don't get hurt

So you're saying that if you don't actually get to be the starter in a few games, no one really knows what kind of QB you'll be. Nico has had a full season now. I have seen no improvement. I guess you guys see something I don't.

 

[J C Higgins]

Difference in QB is the obvious answer. Hendon Hooker was the only one that could execute correctly. This is definitely not on Heupel who has to make do with what he's got and probably has immense pressure to stick with the one who cost the boosters so much money. I doubt it gets any better next year - hope I'm wrong.

This. Exactly.

 

[0059862]

Would that not be the concerning point though?

Hooker kinda fell into Heupels lap/ had already signed before Pruitt was fired

Milton, Nico, Gaston, Meerkenger, etc were hand selected by Heupel and have either shown they can't run the offense (Milton) or it is taking time to catch on.

If the only time your system is gonna work is when you get a gift from the Gods you didn't ask for, then that might be a problem

I can't disagree. Some coaches have the ability to change the offense based on the skills of the QB. Maybe Heupel is not one of them. It just worries me that nothing changes next year with Nico still looking like a deer in the headlights on most plays with good competition. Maybe TN is wasting his talent and he'd be better off in an offense that would better suit his skills.

 

[Go47]

On the radio Kevin Simon shared this:

The tempo piece is not the main core of an offense. It’s an added feature when your offense is humming / working.

Nothing is humming / working with this offense except the running game. No explosive plays. The oline is bad. The WRs are average. We can’t know much about our QB because he is running for his life most snaps.

 

[0059862]

On the radio Kevin Simon shared this:

The tempo piece is not the main core of an offense. It’s an added feature when your offense is humming / working.

Nothing is humming / working with this offense except the running game. No explosive plays. The oline is bad. The WRs are average. We can’t know much about our QB because he is running for his life most snaps.

I remember Peyton Manning knowing he only had time for a couple of reads and then the ball had to get out of his hands. He was able to read the defenses ahead of the snap to know where his likely opening would be. Nico almost seems like he starts from scratch on the pass plays doing a deep study of the field only after he's back to pass. Something is not clicking somewhere but when you're playing top defenses, you have to have a plan and intention to act quickly. That offensive line can only hold off some of these players for so long, as quite a few of those we've seen will likely be all pro's in the NFL soon.

 

[J C Higgins]

I remember Peyton Manning knowing he only had time for a couple of reads and then the ball had to get out of his hands. He was able to read the defenses ahead of the snap to know where his likely opening would be. Nico almost seems like he starts from scratch on the pass plays doing a deep study of the field only after he's back to pass. Something is not clicking somewhere but when you're playing top defenses, you have to have a plan and intention to act quickly. That offensive line can only hold off some of these players for so long, as quite a few of those we've seen will likely be all pro's in the NFL soon.

Correct. Manning was the best there ever was at being able to read and react to a defense in a couple of seconds.

 

[Go47]

Correct. Manning was the best there ever was at being able to read and react to a defense in a couple of seconds.

I think the big unknown with Nico (and all young QBs) is WILL they develop this ability and when.

 

[feathersax]

On the radio Kevin Simon shared this:

The tempo piece is not the main core of an offense. It’s an added feature when your offense is humming / working.

Nothing is humming / working with this offense except the running game. No explosive plays. The oline is bad. The WRs are average. We can’t know much about our QB because he is running for his life most snaps.

Kevin knows...& humming is an issue.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

I remember Peyton Manning knowing he only had time for a couple of reads and then the ball had to get out of his hands. He was able to read the defenses ahead of the snap to know where his likely opening would be. Nico almost seems like he starts from scratch on the pass plays doing a deep study of the field only after he's back to pass. Something is not clicking somewhere but when you're playing top defenses, you have to have a plan and intention to act quickly. That offensive line can only hold off some of these players for so long, as quite a few of those we've seen will likely be all pro's in the NFL soon.

I also believe this was a strength of Hendon. I remember him talking about how much time he spent studying film so he could read presnap. I had also read where people talked about this was one of his strengths.

I believe this is why the coaches had given him multiple plays to run for this play and the next so he could react to what he was seeing.

if Nico can learn to read the defense more, I think he will be much improved next year. I think he was improving this year but not at a fastest enough rate to win the CFP with the WR/OL he had.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Why is there such a difference in the speed of snaps of the offense from year 1 to year 4? Or Year 2? Is it him letting OC truly call plays? CJH needs to revert to what got him this job...

1. QB. In 2021 Hooker was a RS JR. In 2022, he was a RS SR. Huge difference.

2. Better OL play in 2022

3. WRs were vastly better in year 1 and 2.

 

[ForMyLosses]

I think the big unknown with Nico (and all young QBs) is WILL they develop this ability and when.

It’s honestly how much time and effort are you going into preparing/studying/watching film. How many times over the years did we listen to Peyton talking about watching film for hours everyday? Practiced 100% like it was game day 24/7. Would chew anybody out if they were not at a certain standard. I hope Nico does some self reflection and realizes this isn’t high school ball anymore. My talent alone won’t be enough. Pushes himself and his teammates this offseason. Somebody has to step up and be the leader.