Effects of coaching change...

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I AM NOT IN ANY WAY IMPLYING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT FULMER!!

Just wanted to make that clear...

But I am interested in what you all think the effect of the coaching change was on this class...

To my knowledge we lost 6 four star recruits(Giles, Shackleford, Phillips, Stokes, Thigpin, possibly Oku) that would have most likely signed if Fulmer were here...

But we picked up 1 five star(Jackson) and 5 four stars(Green, Teague, Gordon, Myles, Richardson) that we probably wouldn't have gotten if Fulmer were still here

So did this class...as it is right now...benefit or decline due to Fulmers firing?

From a pure numbers point of view it almost looks like a push
 
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Who's to say we would have kept all of those guys even if Fulmer had stayed??? But I can tell you one thing for sure we wouldn't have landed the guys Kiffin did if Fulmer had stayed.
 
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blamie said:
I AM NOT IN ANY WAY IMPLYING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT FULMER!!

Just wanted to make that clear...

But I am interested in what you all think the effect of the coaching change was on this class...

To my knowledge we lost 6 four star recruits(Giles, Shackleford, Phillips, Stokes, Thigpin, possibly Oku) that would have most likely signed if Fulmer were here...

But we picked up 1 five star(Jackson) and 5 four stars(Green, Teague, Gordon, Myles, Richardson) that we probably wouldn't have gotten if Fulmer were still here

So did this class...as it is right now...benefit or decline due to Fulmers firing?

From a pure numbers point of view it almost looks like a push
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taking the positions into account, it wasn't a push. The losses from the Fulmer regime were almost all receivers and scat back types who would have warmed the pine until they could "block or pick up the blitz." What we traded for were potential defensive stars and a couple of receivers. I'll take the second crowd all day long.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
taking the positions into account, it wasn't a push. The losses from the Fulmer regime were almost all receivers and scat back types who would have warmed the pine until they could "block or pick up the blitz." What we traded for were potential defensive stars and a couple of receivers. I'll take the second crowd all day long.
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I agree with you on this...I meant just looking at the numbers...and I know you put zero stock in those...that it would seem to be a push...

But I love the quality of this class as it is right now....if we somehow pulled Charles and Geathers it would be head and shoulders above what Fulmer probably would have gotten
 
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I believe, due to the coaching change, the talented kids we signed will help us win ballgames.
 
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I don't think Fulmer holds on to all those kids -- or gets some of those that Kiffin got after last season.

Nobody wanted to sign up to move deck chairs on the Titanic.
 
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blamie said:
I AM NOT IN ANY WAY IMPLYING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT FULMER!!

Just wanted to make that clear...

But I am interested in what you all think the effect of the coaching change was on this class...

To my knowledge we lost 6 four star recruits(Giles, Shackleford, Phillips, Stokes, Thigpin, possibly Oku) that would have most likely signed if Fulmer were here...

But we picked up 1 five star(Jackson) and 5 four stars(Green, Teague, Gordon, Myles, Richardson) that we probably wouldn't have gotten if Fulmer were still here

So did this class...as it is right now...benefit or decline due to Fulmers firing?

From a pure numbers point of view it almost looks like a push
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Don't forget about getting N. Oliver too.
 
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SmokeyTop said:
Don't forget about getting N. Oliver too.
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and I think he was a better get than most believe.

For me, keeping Teague in state and stealing him from UF was the real coup of the recruiting season. He was a statement in my mind and gives me confidence in this staff. Jackson and Myles were gravy IMO. I wanted MB, but don't think he was ever realistic nor do I believe he was going to change games as people believed after the UA AA game.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
and I think he was a better get than most believe.

For me, keeping Teague in state and stealing him from UF was the real coup of the recruiting season. He was a statement in my mind and gives me confidence in this staff. Jackson and Myles were gravy IMO. I wanted MB, but don't think he was ever realistic nor do I believe he was going to change games as people believed after the UA AA game.
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Alot of people think we did the exact same thing when we kept Gordon from Bama...

And as far as MB goes...I think if he were from another state we wouldn't have tried so hard for him...his recruitment was more about making a statement like we did with Teague than it was about his ability..

It would have been nice to land him along with Teague and Gordon from other big SEC schools....but I doubt very seriously we're ever going to look back on it and really wish we had him here
 
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Most teams when a HC is fired lose more than they gained and I think we actually did a pretty good job maintaining and adding some potential superstars. We still have a shot at the #1 RB in the country/or the #2 all purpose back and a great WR in Charles.
So I would say that with all the changes and the fact that we got a better staff and still finished in the top 20 I would say it was a WIN!
If we signed a QB in this class we would have been inside a top 10 class. But I agreed with Kiffin there are a lot of talented players coming next year and we are all over their radar right now. Next years class will be dominant!
 
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A part of the equation that's missing and that most seem to forget is how strong Fulmer was at closing recruits the last few days before NSD. Stability in coaching staff has a bonus in recruiting as well, so it's quite possible to subjectively calculate Fulmer's class of recruits to have been some better than the current group.

But speculating on shoulda, coulda, woulda is pointless at this juncture. We as Vol fans need to support our new coaches and welcome our new recruits as they are the future of Tennessee football.

Go Vols
 
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NashvilleUTVol said:
A part of the equation that's missing and that most seem to forget is how strong Fulmer was at closing recruits the last few days before NSD. Stability in coaching staff has a bonus in recruiting as well, so it's quite possible to subjectively calculate Fulmer's class of recruits to have been some better than the current group.
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Funny how the '08 group didn't really work out that way. I know the 5-7 record would have likely helped some, but I'm just not sure how much.
 
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I think this coaching staff did a great job with this class concidering the time they had. The real test will be this comming year and I beleive that it will be a block buster not only in recruting but on the field as well. The vols are being underestamated in talent because of poor coaching in the past.
 
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We are already better off now than we were 2 months ago.

Papa is 100% correct about Teague. Recruiting is a young man's game. Lane is drawing much more positive attention than most would have you believe. Between now and kickoff we are going to hear names of recruits that never would have considered the Vols. This program is becoming re-engergized. Just wait and see.
 
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CPF has been very good at recruting the problem has come once they get to campus. I am not just say this to dis CPF I like him personally but if you look at the years that CDC was here and not it shows big time.
 
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Fulmer also had Moses and White as silent commits I believe. That alone would give Fulmer a better class than Kiffin IMO.

But for not having much time, and considering the coaching change, we still did a good job.
 
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bburger991 said:
Fulmer also had Moses and White as silent commits I believe. That alone would give Fulmer a better class than Kiffin IMO.

But for not having much time, and considering the coaching change, we still did a good job.
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If Kiffin and this staff ever have a recruiting class ranked in the 30s like Fulmer and company did last year, I buy you some of Susha's peace oil for Christmas for the rest of your life.
 
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I agree, snatching Teague away from Florida, could be a major turning point in UT football.

We will have to wait and see, but if they let this kid handle the ball, I will be astonished if he does not surprise a great number of people with his athletic ability.

He is the best recruit from West TN in several years, and that includes Al Wilson, Patrick Willis, etc...

I think he is that good.
 
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bburger991 said:
Fulmer also had Moses and White as silent commits I believe. That alone would give Fulmer a better class than Kiffin IMO.

But for not having much time, and considering the coaching change, we still did a good job.
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What would our class have looked like if CLK didn't tell Boyd, Thigpen and Petty to take a hike?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
might have looked a little different on paper, but wouldn't have made one ounce of difference in our football team.
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I agree. I was pointing out to BBurger that we would have been in the top 10 without telling those kids to look elsewhere. We might have even landed another WR.
 
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Yeah, but I'm saying Fulmer filled our needs better with the players he had I believe.

I would take Morgan Moses, Peter White, Aubrey Phillips, JerQuari Schofield, and Kevin Revis, and Tajh Boyd over Kiffins class.

I mean, Kiffin still had a good class and everything, it's just I think we desperately needed OL a lot more than WRs and LBs.
 
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bburger991 said:
Yeah, but I'm saying Fulmer filled our needs better with the players he had I believe.

I would take Morgan Moses, Peter White, Aubrey Phillips, JerQuari Schofield, and Kevin Revis, and Tajh Boyd over Kiffins class.

I mean, Kiffin still had a good class and everything, it's just I think we desperately needed OL a lot more than WRs and LBs.
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Yes, I would have loved more lineman in this class on both sides of the ball, but you are underestimating our need for speed. I bet you will see immediate special teams contributions from good deal of these recruits. White, Moses and Phillips would not have contributed for at least a year.

This class has the potential to improve our STs immediately.
 
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Kiffin's class is more impressive than what Fulmer had lined up prior to his departure.

From a purely clinical perspective, the classes probably would have ranked similarly. But considering what Kiffin had to work with, primarily from a time standpoint, he did a better job when you look at it big picture. Also, the fact he stole 2 very good recruits from the national champions is very impressive. Fulmer seemed to lack the appetite to go head to head with florida over the last few years.

But the real payoff comes later... hopefully, that of course being what the new coaching staff does with its talent.
 
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