Efficient biofuel? Too good to be true?

#76
#76
milohimself said:
If US auto manufacturers stopped making everything but trucks tomorrow, the world would be better off for it.

They don't have the resources or capability of coming up with one good passenger car, let alone developing new fuel platforms.
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obama led GM tried to revamp their lineup to be "more competive" by making everything more fuel efficient. it was the truck department that got GM into profitability. the F-150 singlehandedly kept ford out of bankruptcy.
 
#77
#77
IPorange said:
Trucks and SUV's are what sell in America. That's reality, even if you or I don't like it.
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That's because they're the only thing that they make well.

Now, many, many, MANY people who drive big pickups or Excursions, Suburbans etc. don't need them and they are complete pricks as far as I'm concerned. They're the issue, not the auto manufacturers.

The average mpg thing is stupid. This is a consumer issue.

Got a lot of kids or need some moving around to do? Get a minivan. They're cheaper, more fuel efficient, safer and typically have larger interiors.

Going to the mountain, or driving in adverse weather conditions? There is an array of AWD cars available that can handle their business far better than most trucks or SUV's in that category.

Basically, the only people who should be allowed to buy SUV's are those who tow things on a regular basis.

If there were a system to allow people who actually need giant 4x4 whatevers to buy them normally, while taxing those that are buying one because they're insecure about the size of their gentleman sausage, I'd institute it tomorrow.
 
#78
#78
droski said:
obama led GM tried to revamp their lineup to be "more competive" by making everything more fuel efficient. it was the truck department that got GM into profitability. the F-150 singlehandedly kept ford out of bankruptcy.
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Fuel mileage isn't the main issue. I just bought a Honda Fit over a Ford Fiesta, even though the Fit gets worse mileage. I bought it because I knew it would be better quality, and have far better resale value if I chose to off it.

The cars that significantly push up GM's mpg numbers are rebadged Daewoos and POS low-level European platforms.
 
#79
#79
I like to 4-wheel and get it muddy (and AWD won't do the trick)

completely necessary? Not really
a choice I want to keep? Absolutely
 
#82
#82
I would only put serious crawlers in that category. Most want a street legal and offroad vehicle

IPorange said:
But how's your gentleman sausage?
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I believe the wedding ring says more about that than my choice of car (take that as you will)
 
#83
#83
milohimself said:
Got a lot of kids or need some moving around to do? Get a minivan. They're cheaper, more fuel efficient, safer and typically have larger interiors.
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Minivans (not counting any hybrid offerings) aren't particularly stellar in the MPG arena. I'd venture few (if any) would do much more than mid-20's even on the hwy. That's not to dismiss outright that many could do quite well without the full-size truck/SUV but I think the step down to a minivan might be a smaller efficiency step than one might think.

Personally I have a slightly older SUV that I really like for it's utility but I also have a smaller commuter/general runabout vehicle as well. It's a great system for me but I realize not everyone can pull that off.
 
#84
#84
You still get about 30-40% better economy out of a minivan than a large truck or SUV. The additional point, though, is that they also tend to be far safer, as many SUV's are still body on frame, which significantly reduces handling and overall safety. Then you've got your interior space, vans can carry just as many people, as much groceries or whatever else you can think up.

Point is that most people who drive large, fuel-guzzling trucks and SUV's don't need them. It's excessive and vulgar.
 
#85
#85
Lot of hating on US manufacturers ITT. I'd say Ford's lineup is very competitive. The Fusion is highly regarded (even though it's manufactured in Mexico not the US).
 
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Weezy said:
Lot of hating on US manufacturers ITT. I'd say Ford's lineup is very competitive. The Fusion is highly regarded (even though it's manufactured in Mexico not the US).
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I have a 4 door F-150. I love it. But I drive an 89 Honda Accord 90% of the time because of fuel mileage and gas costs. I want a hydrogen fuel cell F-150 4X4. Then again, I ask for a lot.
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#87
#87
Weezy said:
Lot of hating on US manufacturers ITT. I'd say Ford's lineup is very competitive. The Fusion is highly regarded (even though it's manufactured in Mexico not the US).
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Drove one around for a couple days a couple years ago... It didn't suck, but it wasn't anything to write home about.

Aside from that, wake me when a US automaker makes a car that can go 200,000 miles without falling apart.
 
#88
#88
I've got 160k on my old 96 Ford Escort. Hasn't given me any problems and paid $2900 for it 9 years ago. I'll admit, it's not the ladies favorite. I hope I get a new one sometime this year, looking at a slightly used Ford Fusion.
 
#89
#89
That Escort is on a Mazda platform, and the 1.8L's were Mazda engines. You're driving a Protege with Ford emblems.
 
#90
#90
Weezy said:
I've got 160k on my old 96 Ford Escort. Hasn't given me any problems and paid $2900 for it 9 years ago. I'll admit, it's not the ladies favorite. I hope I get a new one sometime this year, looking at a slightly used Ford Fusion.
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My 89 Honda only has 80,000 miles on it. Bought it off of a buddy that inhereted it from his mother-in-law. She only drove it to mass. Had 53,000 on it when I bought it 6 yrs ago for $500.
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#91
#91
milohimself said:
That's because they're the only thing that they make well.

Now, many, many, MANY people who drive big pickups or Excursions, Suburbans etc. don't need them and they are complete pricks as far as I'm concerned. They're the issue, not the auto manufacturers.

The average mpg thing is stupid. This is a consumer issue.

Got a lot of kids or need some moving around to do? Get a minivan. They're cheaper, more fuel efficient, safer and typically have larger interiors.

Going to the mountain, or driving in adverse weather conditions? There is an array of AWD cars available that can handle their business far better than most trucks or SUV's in that category.

Basically, the only people who should be allowed to buy SUV's are those who tow things on a regular basis.

If there were a system to allow people who actually need giant 4x4 whatevers to buy them normally, while taxing those that are buying one because they're insecure about the size of their gentleman sausage, I'd institute it tomorrow.
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What should the government agency be called where we will forced to submit our applications to buy an SUV? How about the used car market? What if you borrow a friends SUV and you don't have a license to own one? Jail time?
 
#92
#92
JayVols said:
My 89 Honda only has 80,000 miles on it. Bought it off of a buddy that inhereted it from his mother-in-law. She only drove it to mass. Had 53,000 on it when I bought it 6 yrs ago for $500.
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Deal. Of. The. Century. Kudos.

azVolFan said:
What should the government agency be called where we will forced to submit our applications to buy an SUV? How about the used car market? What if you borrow a friends SUV and you don't have a license to own one? Jail time?
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What if nobody ever understood hyperbole or dry humor? How much would life suck? What would we do with the country of England?
 
#93
#93
milohimself said:
Deal. Of. The. Century. Kudos.



What if nobody ever understood hyperbole or dry humor? How much would life suck? What would we do with the country of England?
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I thought so too. I was joking when I said I would give him $500 for it. To my surprise, he said sold. Drive it to work everyday. Use my truck for trips, hauling, and pulling my boat only.
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#94
#94
Nicely done.

And since azVolFan ostensibly has no ability to detect sarcasm and humor, I would legitimately be for more economic incentives to buy a passenger car, and deterrents to purchases of full-size pick ups or SUVs unless there were some reasonable way of providing proof of need of one (recreation included).
 
#95
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milohimself said:
Nicely done.

And since azVolFan ostensibly has no ability to detect sarcasm and humor, I would legitimately be for more economic incentives to buy a passenger car, and deterrents to purchases of full-size pick ups or SUVs unless there were some reasonable way of providing proof of need of one (recreation included).
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In time you'll be arguing that you want the government to control how much toilet paper we can purchase. Toilet paper is bad for the environment right? Why not tax the heck out of so people stop buying it?
 
#96
#96
2011 Chevy Cruze and 2012 Ford Focus are going to surprise some people. They are both nice small cars.

2012 Ford Focus:

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#97
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milohimself said:
Nicely done.

And since azVolFan ostensibly has no ability to detect sarcasm and humor, I would legitimately be for more economic incentives to buy a passenger car, and deterrents to purchases of full-size pick ups or SUVs unless there were some reasonable way of providing proof of need of one (recreation included).
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And some people ostensibly have no ability to detect the difference between rational thought and regurgitation of brainwashed sheeple dogma.

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Harvard astrophysicist dismisses AGW theory, challenges peers to 'take back climate science' - Orlando Seminole County Environmental News | Examiner.com

Examiner.com: What drives climate change on Earth?

Dr. Soon: Most of the weather and climate variations we observed are essentially related to the sun and the changing seasons – not by CO2 radiative forcing and feedback. The climate system is constantly readjusting naturally in a large way – more than we would ever see from CO2. The CO2 kick [impact of CO2 emissions] is extremely small compared to what is happening in a natural way. Within the framework of a proper study of the sun-climate connection, you don’t need CO2 to explain anything.

Examiner.com: What is your opinion of the anthropogenic (man-caused) global warming theory?

Dr. Soon: It’s never been about the science – even from the very beginning. It’s based on confusion and a mixture of ideology. We should deal only in the facts that we do know.

Examiner.com: Many of the scientists promoting the global warming theory appear to be driven by politics rather than hard scientific data. What are your thoughts?

Dr. Soon: I am a scientist. I go where the facts take me. And the facts are fairly clear. It doesn’t take very long to discover that their views [of man-caused global warming] aren’t grounded in the facts.
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Dr. Willie Soon is a solar and climate scientist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics with 19 years of scientific research under his belt.
 
#99
#99
Lulz gs you're so easy it's like shooting fish in a barrel. I keep waiting for it to get old but it never does.
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#100
#100
milohimself said:
Nicely done.

And since azVolFan ostensibly has no ability to detect sarcasm and humor, I would legitimately be for more economic incentives to buy a passenger car, and deterrents to purchases of full-size pick ups or SUVs unless there were some reasonable way of providing proof of need of one (recreation included).
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Ridiculous.

If you are willing to spend $100 on gas every week, buy it.
 
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