Egyptian general admits 'virginity checks' conducted on protesters

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So much for democracy taking hold in Egypt.
I bet it was real effective deterrent to the female protestors...........
probably plenty of volunteers to check them.

Egyptian general admits 'virginity checks' conducted on protesters - CNN.com

Cairo (CNN) -- A senior Egyptian general admits that "virginity checks" were performed on women arrested at a demonstration this spring, the first such admission after previous denials by military authorities.
The allegations arose in an Amnesty International report, published weeks after the March 9 protest. It claimed female demonstrators were beaten, given electric shocks, strip-searched, threatened with prostitution charges and forced to submit to virginity checks.
At that time, Maj. Amr Imam said 17 women had been arrested but denied allegations of torture or "virginity tests."
But now a senior general who asked not to be identified said the virginity tests were conducted and defended the practice.

Salwa Hosseini, a 20-year-old hairdresser and one of the women named in the Amnesty report, described to CNN how uniformed soldiers tied her up on the museum's grounds, forced her to the ground and slapped her, then shocked her with a stun gun while calling her a prostitute.
"They wanted to teach us a lesson," Hosseini said soon after the Amnesty report came out. "They wanted to make us feel that we do not have dignity."

The treatment got worse, Hosseini said, when she and the 16 other female prisoners were taken to a military detention center in Heikstep.
There, she said, she and several of other female detainees were subjected to a "virginity test."
"We did not agree for a male doctor to perform the test," she said. But Hosseini said her captors forced her to comply by threatening her with more stun-gun shocks.

"I was going through a nervous breakdown at that moment," she recalled. "There was no one standing during the test, except for a woman and the male doctor. But several soldiers were standing behind us watching the backside of the bed. I think they had them standing there as witnesses."
The senior Egyptian general said the 149 people detained after the March 9 protest were subsequently tried in military courts, and most have been sentenced to a year in prison.

Authorities later revoked those sentences "when we discovered that some of the detainees had university degrees, so we decided to give them a second chance," he said.

The senior general reaffirmed that the military council was determined to make Egypt's democratic transition a success.
"The date for handover to a civil government can't come soon enough for the ruling military council," he said. "The army can't wait to return to its barracks and do what it does best -- protect the nation's borders."
 
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must be that wave of democracy that rd and obama keep telling us about.

Democracy and Religious fanaticism are separate issues. This is the kind of stupidity that happens when church and state mix.

Nice overlook too, Droski...you didn't even have to open the article to catch this nugget quoted in the post itself:

"The date for handover to a civil government can't come soon enough for the ruling military council," he said. "The army can't wait to return to its barracks and do what it does best -- protect the nation's borders."
 
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Democracy and Religious fanaticism are separate issues. This is the kind of stupidity that happens when church and state mix.

Nice overlook too, Droski...you didn't even have to open the article to catch this nugget quoted in the post itself:

You missed the point. If the women weren't virgins, they had no business being outside where people can see them. shameful.
 
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I don't think this event has anything to do with the existence (or lack) of democracy in Egypt. Women didn't vote for 100+ years of American democracy. Terrorist organizations like the KKK existed. Civil liberties were severely restricted for certain groups. Etc. The idea that democracy is the answer to the world's woes is a pipe dream. We support democracy until other countries use it to elect players we oppose.
 
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You missed the point. If the women weren't virgins, they had no business being outside where people can see them. shameful.

1. What does this have to do with Democracy in the region?

2. The only ones uptight about virginity are the pious, indicating this is rooted in religious ideology, not political.

3. People still want democratic change and want a civil government to take hold.

The sarcastic crack about myself and Obama saying there is a wave of democracy in the region was stupid. There absolutely is, and one must be blind not to see it.
 
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name a democracy where women are treated like cattle. religious fanaticism goes hand in hand with dictatorships.
 
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1. What does this have to do with Democracy in the region?

2. The only ones uptight about virginity are the pious, indicating this is rooted in religious ideology, not political.

3. People still want democratic change and want a civil government to take hold.

The sarcastic crack about myself and Obama saying there is a wave of democracy in the region was stupid. There absolutely is, and one must be blind not to see it.

I believe KK was just making a joke
 
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1. What does this have to do with Democracy in the region?

2. The only ones uptight about virginity are the pious, indicating this is rooted in religious ideology, not political.

3. People still want democratic change and want a civil government to take hold.

The sarcastic crack about myself and Obama saying there is a wave of democracy in the region was stupid. There absolutely is, and one must be blind not to see it.

Wasn't disagreeing with you. Tongue in cheek, friend.
 
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at least we let women drive and not cover their faces.

I imagine that for the better majority of those years, a woman was subject to whatever conditions her father, spouse, or brother felt like imposing. There was no great fundamental and/or principled difference. Women in America were not full citizens and did not possess the same rights as men.
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I imagine that for the better majority of those years, a woman was subject to whatever conditions her father, spouse, or brother felt like imposing. There was no great fundamental and/or principled difference. Women in America were not full citizens and did not possess the same rights as men.
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but why are we using 100 years ago to discuss what is or should be happening today? We can all admit that the world was less enlightened and more barbaric 100 years ago. It was even worse 1,000 years ago etc, etc.

Information availability is changing societies worldwide, save those areas where an iron fisted government, religious nuts or otherwise, is precluding said change.
 
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I imagine that for the better majority of those years, a woman was subject to whatever conditions her father, spouse, or brother felt like imposing. There was no great fundamental and/or principled difference. Women in America were not full citizens and did not possess the same rights as men.
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I think we can all agree on that point. There were suffragettes for a reason. That being said, women in America had ever more freedom historically then even their European counterparts.
 
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Bottomline, much of the ME is backwards whether run by dictatorship or "democracy". We bounce back and forth from praising dictators if they advance our interests to romanticizing democracy so long as it advances our interests.
 
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but why are we using 100 years ago to discuss what is or should be happening today? We can all admit that the world was less enlightened and more barbaric 100 years ago. It was even worse 1,000 years ago etc, etc.

Information availability is changing societies worldwide, save those areas where an iron fisted government, religious nuts or otherwise, is precluding said change.

The response was toward the assertion that women cannot/are not treated as cattle under democracies. I used the history of our own nation to rebut the statement.
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at least we let women drive and not cover their faces.

The same democracy that treated blacks as a fraction of a person. This is the same democracy, that until about 60 years ago didn't even grant said people with full civil rights.

Again, claiming that this is some indictment that democracy isn't gaining hold is silly. The very fact that we are hearing this story, and the perpetrators are commenting on it is evidence in itself.
 
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Bottomline, much of the ME is backwards whether run by dictatorship or "democracy". We bounce back and forth from praising dictators if they advance our interests to romanticizing democracy so long as it advances our interests.

Do you think some administrations have been worse about this than others?
 
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The response was toward the assertion that women cannot/are not treated as cattle under democracies. I used the history of our own nation to rebut the statement.
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so the lack of democracies in teh middle east is due to what?
 
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polls would certainly suggest that. muslim brotherhood gets a favorable rating by 70% of the population.
 

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