Egyptian general admits 'virginity checks' conducted on protesters

[KiffinKiller]

At its founding, the US was an extension of Old World Europe. The founders brought livestock, pack animals, and cultivation methods that were completely foreign to the Native Americans. These methods were also not available to persons in sub-Saharan Africa, as per Jared Diamond, and Indian development was stunted under British Colonial Rule.

Depending on innovations in both production and thinking, civilizations will experience boom and bust periods. While Western Europe was experiencing a cultural and intellectual lapse from about 600 A.D. through 1200-1300 A.D., culture and thought in the Middle East became highly developed. Internal and religious conflicts stunted that growth, and Western Europe picked it up with the Renaissance and the Enlightenment from 1400-Present.

Currently, IMO, the West is experiencing a cultural decline in the form of producing works of literary and artistic merit. India seems to be picking up the slack in those areas, though; and, where literature and art thrive, philosophy and political innovation soon follow.

Totally agree. The people must experience an 'enlightenment' of their own and want to achieve democracy. Until then - old hatreds die hard.

 

[rjd970]

much shorter time frame? I was under the impression the US was a relatively new country and that these "developing countries" have also been around for centuries. What kind of timeline are we working with here?

Unless I am mistaken (and I am no history major) I thought now was the first time in history for most of these countries to have a real shot at democracy. I think the point is we have people comparing centuries of development (US) with months of development (Egypt, etc).

 

[droski]

Unless I am mistaken (and I am no history major) I thought now was the first time in history for most of these countries to have a real shot at democracy. I think the point is we have people comparing centuries of development (US) with months of development (Egypt, etc).

what do you define as a real shot at democracy? if the people desperately wanted democracy they would have it. there are numerous revolutions historically to prove that point.

 

[rjd970]

what do you define as a real shot at democracy? if the people desperately wanted democracy they would have it. there are numerous revolutions historically to prove that point.

Ousting dictators that have been in power for a quarter century seems like a pretty good start.

 

[therealUT]

what do you define as a real shot at democracy? if the people desperately wanted democracy they would have it. there are numerous revolutions historically to prove that point.

There are times in which peoples have seized opportunities to revolt and establish democratic and republican forms of government. There are many more historical instances when people have desperately wanted freedom and have simply been killed in vain.

With your line of reasoning, one could blame African-Americans for settling for their lot as slaves.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

There are times in which peoples have seized opportunities to revolt and establish democratic and republican forms of government. There are many more historical instances when people have desperately wanted freedom and have simply been killed in vain.

With your line of reasoning, one could blame African-Americans for settling for their lot as slaves.

Except that African slaves revolted on many occasions, one of which was successful.
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[therealUT]

Except that African slaves revolted on many occasions, one of which was successful.
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There have been numerous Arab revolts as well. Fact is, Droski stated that if people wanted it desperately enough, they would have it. That statement is patently untrue and has been proven throughout the course of history.

 

[WA_Vol]

I'm trying to imagine the conversation where they are deciding how to treat the protestors when the idea of virginity checks comes up. Only virgins should be allowed to protest?

 

[tim]

There have been numerous Arab revolts as well. Fact is, Droski stated that if people wanted it desperately enough, they would have it. That statement is patently untrue and has been proven throughout the course of history.

I think he meant to say "really really" wanted democracy. There's a difference.
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