Elizabeth Thomas Found Safe in CA

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crusse10 said:
It's possible. It's also possible that she saw him just being nice as meaning more than that, because she was homeschooled and abused. Hell she may have been begging him to get her as far away from a terrible home life and all the abuse.

In fact, thinking about it, that seems like the only scenario in which he would get arrested and say that he's glad it's all over.
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He took her, that's illegal. No matter what a minor "feels" like they need he was the adult. Contact the authorities and let them sort it out. He knew what he was doing.

To the other point, being on the run is stressful to the fugitive. It might have seemed like a good idea when he started but as law enforcement kept increasing pressure through the media, etc., if no end game (fleeing the country, or whatever) is in sight then the mental toil of staying hidden could be enough to make him say he's glad it's over.
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
He took her, that's illegal. No matter what a minor "feels" like they need he was the adult. Contact the authorities and let them sort it out. He knew what he was doing.

To the other point, being on the run is stressful to the fugitive. It might have seemed like a good idea when he started but as law enforcement kept increasing pressure through the media, etc., if no end game (fleeing the country, or whatever) is in sight then the mental toil of staying hidden could be enough to make him say he's glad it's over.
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That's fair enough. It was definitely wrong. This just seems like every part of this Amber Alert search is different and odd compared to the rest of them. Wouldn't shock me in the slightest if I heard that they never had sex. She very well could have just viewed him as a father figure. I eagerly await the SVU episode that has to reassure us that this does not depict actual people before showing us a dramatization of this story.
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
It's definitely a peculiar case. I'd like to have seen a picture of her after they picked them up.
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According to CNN she was up and down emotionally and combative with the police at times. Also it was reported by CNN that when Cummins was asked questions by members of the commune that she would whisper what to say in his ear. Cummins when arrested said "I'm glad it's all over". It's way weird all around.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/20/us/tennessee-teacher-kidnapping-suspect-arrested/index.html
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
He took her, that's illegal. No matter what a minor "feels" like they need he was the adult. Contact the authorities and let them sort it out. He knew what he was doing.

To the other point, being on the run is stressful to the fugitive. It might have seemed like a good idea when he started but as law enforcement kept increasing pressure through the media, etc., if no end game (fleeing the country, or whatever) is in sight then the mental toil of staying hidden could be enough to make him say he's glad it's over.
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From the article above..

He faces state charges of sexual contact with a minor and aggravated kidnapping, the TBI said last month.

But state law allows children older than 12 to decide whether to leave their families, unless their removal or confinement "is accomplished by force, threat or fraud."

That means to prove a kidnapping took place, prosecutors will have to show Elizabeth was unlawfully removed or had her freedom restricted.
 
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jhamilton1208 said:
From the article above..

He faces state charges of sexual contact with a minor and aggravated kidnapping, the TBI said last month.

But state law allows children older than 12 to decide whether to leave their families, unless their removal or confinement "is accomplished by force, threat or fraud."

That means to prove a kidnapping took place, prosecutors will have to show Elizabeth was unlawfully removed or had her freedom restricted.
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Dumb law. Seems like it would potentially make human trafficking harder to prove
 
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crusse10 said:
The strength with which we (as a society) condemn the notion that 15-year old people could make life decisions makes it seem really odd that most people in society seem so accepting of young marriages in history/bible/etc.

Still think this is weird as hell. She'll probably be waiting until he's out of prison in X number of years and be standing at the gate when he's released.
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Don't know the bible has anything to do with it historically.

As late as the early '70s lots of high school graduates had, and many still have, community blessing on marriages between 18 yr olds. In earlier centuries folk accepted younger, much younger marriages

Age of consent varies by state.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

As does who can marry.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_the_United_States

We covered this in a thread on pedophilia.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Don't know the bible has anything to do with it historically.

As late as the early '70s lots of high school graduates had, and many still have, community blessing on marriages between 18 yr olds. In earlier centuries folk accepted younger, much younger marriages

Age of consent varies by state.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

As does who can marry.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_the_United_States

We covered this in a thread on pedophilia.
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I'm not saying the bible has something to do with this. I'm saying that people today don't think of marriages in the bible as weird, but that if those happened in this day and age, it would be taboo as hell (if not illegal by US laws).
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
Dumb law. Seems like it would potentially make human trafficking harder to prove
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Agreed. Here's a hypothetical question I read somewhere a week or two ago.

What happens if both of them deny any sexual contact and remain adamant about it. As in - she refuses to admit they did. With the kidnapping law as it is, and if they are actually unable to prove contact, what happens?

Don't get me wrong we all pretty much know with the Rx of ED pills he filled prior to taking her.... But hypothetically is there a way he gets off (pun not intended) of the charges?
 
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jhamilton1208 said:
Here's an insight:

From heavy.com

According to WSMV, “police arrested Elizabeth’s mother, Kimberly Thomas, last year. She was charged with five counts of child abuse and neglect. According to court documents, Kimberly Thomas beat Elizabeth and four of her siblings.”

Elizabeth told authorities, according to WSMV, that her mother “banged her head into the agitator of the washing machine” and “threw her down the basement stairs and locked her down there.” The TV station added that “Kimberly Thomas is also accused of making the children get naked in front of several other people” and “Elizabeth is one of 10 children in a single-parent home because her father now has full custody of all of them.” According to the TV station, Elizabeth was home schooled until this year.
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Wow I hope her and those other kids get to have a normal life one day
 
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jhamilton1208 said:
Agreed. Here's a hypothetical question I read somewhere a week or two ago.

What happens if both of them deny any sexual contact and remain adamant about it. As in - she refuses to admit they did. With the kidnapping law as it is, and if they are actually unable to prove contact, what happens?

Don't get me wrong we all pretty much know with the Rx of ED pills he filled prior to taking her.... But hypothetically is there a way he gets off (pun not intended) of the charges?
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I believe, since she's a minor, that the legal guardians can force her to receive a rape kit test. I believe one of the tests would be able to show recent sex. Idk if it could prove that it was specifically with him, but they could probably get a jury to connect the dots.
 
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crusse10 said:
I believe, since she's a minor, that the legal guardians can force her to receive a rape kit test. I believe one of the tests would be able to show recent sex. Idk if it could prove that it was specifically with him, but they could probably get a jury to connect the dots.
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Didn't think of that, you're right parents can force them to. If he left DNA evidence it will show it was him, I think.
 
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jhamilton1208 said:
Didn't think of that, you're right parents can force them to. If he left DNA evidence it will show it was him, I think.
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If it happened and he wore a condom, they'd at least be able to see that she had had sex recently. I still stand by my thought that he may have not even had sex with her. Seems like such an odd case that this wouldn't surprise me in the slightest
 
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ABC news reported that when the man was apprehended he verbalized to police that he was relieved the whole situation was over.
 
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Just curious if those that are saying this guy brainwashed the girl or are quick to call him a predator, do you feel the same way during all these cases of female teachers having sex with teenage boys?

Are those women "predators" that "brainwash" these young boys?
 
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crusse10 said:
I believe, since she's a minor, that the legal guardians can force her to receive a rape kit test. I believe one of the tests would be able to show recent sex. Idk if it could prove that it was specifically with him, but they could probably get a jury to connect the dots.
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I don't want to start an abortion debate but how can they force her to receive a rape kit when they can't force her to or not to have an abortion?
 
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hog88 said:
I don't want to start an abortion debate but how can they force her to receive a rape kit when they can't force her to or not to have an abortion?
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Pretty sure the state of TN requires minors to have parental consent to get an abortion.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about that.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't want to start an abortion debate but how can they force her to receive a rape kit when they can't force her to or not to have an abortion?
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I would assume it's because the rape kit test is solely for the welfare of the daughter
 
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