Elzy shouldn’t have lost coaching job

#51
#51
can you imagine how many points she could get if she could perfect a decent skyhook shot?

All the girls on the hs girls basketball team I went to in the early seventies could hit hooks with either hand and all shot ft's with the exact same technique. And they made a very high %. They could do so because their coach made them practice practice, practice those shots.

Girls at that same school now can't make a layup... :(
 
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mlindsay said:
I see the difference and she had a whole season to sit out (while she still worked out) and was the number#1 overall recruit. Look at how much A'Ja Wilson improved from year 1 to year two, the same for Azura Stevens, or Jonquel Jones (who was just drafted into the WNBA) all players with the same height/build as Russell and you tell me what work Dean has truly done? I can name a few other Post players who weren't top recruits who didn't have a full year off and still played far better than Russell has. She has made improvements but has she been great? It seems like many of you are starting to except mediocracy and I refuse to because its not something I expect from my Lady Vols
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Aj'a Wilson went from 13.1 PPG 6.6 RPG to 16.1 PPG 8.7 reb while her FG % went down slightly and FT % went up. Her main areas of improvement was getting 8-10 more minutes per game.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
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There are many of us blind then.

Give me a kid for two years, and I will show you a helluva lot more growth...


I can almost hear an "excuse me please" when she boxes out... No game when facing her defender... A little defensive push and she stays out of the paint except for blindsides... Her hook-shot and jump-hook still arcs from the extended arm instead of keeping it close to her body on the up-lift... ....I'm not being critical of her.... But I am very critical of her progress. And that is not her fault. injury notwithstanding.
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That's not necessarily true....I coach a girls team and they have made improvements with their skills. I can tell a huge difference in improvement between the girls that do it when the coach is on them to do it and the ones that take what I teach them and have the desire to work on it themselves. Its why Kevin Punter changed his shot and became prolific compared to Armani Moore who showed some improvement but still struggled.
 
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volbeast33 said:
That's not necessarily true....I coach a girls team and they have made improvements with their skills. I can tell a huge difference in improvement between the girls that do it when the coach is on them to do it and the ones that take what I teach them and have the desire to work on it themselves. Its why Kevin Punter changed his shot and became prolific compared to Armani Moore who showed some improvement but still struggled.
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true enough training without good work-ethic (What an athlete does when they're not in front of a coach)= no progress.

good point
 
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gule said:
can you imagine how many points she could get if she could perfect a decent skyhook shot?

All the girls on the hs girls basketball team I went to in the early seventies could hit hooks with either hand and all shot ft's with the exact same technique. And they made a very high %. They could do so because their coach made them practice practice, practice those shots.

Girls at that same school now can't make a layup... :(
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the sky-hook is exactly what I teach to a post. With Merc's height,she could release it from above the rim. impossible to block... But if she brings it up in an arc instead of a straight line-close to her body,,, it is easily blocked on the up-motion.

And if she learns the sky-hook, it opens up the "reverse pivot fade away... aka Patrick Ewing
 
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gule said:
Russell was a 6th player for the most of her freshman year, not the mainstay inside goto player. She played better on sore feet and with izzy being the focus than she did most of this past year.
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I agree. Her defense and rebounding were much better her freshman year.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
That's not the case at all, you're misconstruing what I said.

In general, it was best for all parties that she move on. No one demanded it, no one threatened to leave over it or used "influence" to get it to happen. But it became very clear as the season moved on that this was the outcome needed.

But if she had remained here, particularly if she had remained and either of the other two assistants departed, I believe you would have seen more than one player leave.

I'm not going to address each comment individually, but I think many posters in this forum have greatly overestimated the value that Elzy brought to the program, particularly on the court.
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You're backtracking a bit. You're initial post stated that if Elzy returned, we would be talking about the players
who left. Nowhere did you say it was best for all involved on your initial post. ( though, i have rarely found "best for all involved" to be accurate in these situations ) If you knew of this situation, certainly the coaching staff knew also.
It doesn't matter if the players used their influence or not. Elzy is gone and the players remain.
This is the problem with posting somewhat cryptic messages. We are left to our own devices to fill in the blanks.
As a side note: Only someone on the staff would know if a player demanded or used their influence in ousting a coach (unless a staff member wrongly spilled the beans to someone else). This whole incident makes me want to wash my hands.
 
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volbeast33 said:
First off it is obvious to me that deerpark works in some capacity at UT and provides what he can of valuable info on several different sports.
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Yes, just like Maria C. on the other site, so you would be wise to keep in mind you are getting a very biased version of the "truth" that Holly's camp wants put out there....
 
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volnationnj said:
You're backtracking a bit. You're initial post stated that if Elzy returned, we would be talking about the players
who left. Nowhere did you say it was best for all involved on your initial post. ( though, i have rarely found "best for all involved" to be accurate in these situations ) If you knew of this situation, certainly the coaching staff knew also.
It doesn't matter if the players used their influence or not. Elzy is gone and the players remain.
This is the problem with posting somewhat cryptic messages. We are left to our own devices to fill in the blanks.
As a side note: Only someone on the staff would know if a player demanded or used their influence in ousting a coach (unless a staff member wrongly spilled the beans to someone else). This whole incident makes me want to wash my hands.
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Next subject please. :crazy:
 
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Darth_Vol said:
Yes, just like Maria C. on the other site, so you would be wise to keep in mind you are getting a very biased version of the "truth" that Holly's camp wants put out there....
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I don't know who Maria C is but I don't think deerpark is a mouth piece for holly. Even if he is then it is more knowledge than the rest of us offer on what's going on.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I don't know who Maria C is but I don't think deerpark is a mouth piece for holly. Even if he is then it is more knowledge than the rest of us offer on what's going on.
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Anybody in that gym during practice, from janitor to Dave Hart would be able to see friction, and where it comes from in a moment's watch.

That's all it would take.

I believe DP has some knowledge,,, but not sure he has some say? JMO
 
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Darth_Vol said:
Yes, just like Maria C. on the other site, so you would be wise to keep in mind you are getting a very biased version of the "truth" that Holly's camp wants put out there....
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I'm not connected to Holly's "camp" at all. All I post here are facts as I see them. I'm not emotionally involved in the program or the outcomes of the games, so what I'm giving you is an unbiased look, based only on facts.

You're free to disagree, doesn't bother me one bit. But don't accuse me of "putting out there" something the coach wants. I couldn't give two sh*ts what the coach wants. I doubt she has any idea this board exists.

I just see a lot of "fans" unnecessarily bashing a coach that has been successful by every metric other than the whims of this board, filled with people apparently predisposed to dislike her for whatever reason.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I'm not connected to Holly's "camp" at all. All I post here are facts as I see them. I'm not emotionally involved in the program or the outcomes of the games, so what I'm giving you is an unbiased look, based only on facts.

You're free to disagree, doesn't bother me one bit. But don't accuse me of "putting out there" something the coach wants. I couldn't give two sh*ts what the coach wants. I doubt she has any idea this board exists.

I just see a lot of "fans" unnecessarily bashing a coach that has been successful by every metric other than the whims of this board, filled with people apparently predisposed to dislike her for whatever reason.
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I have no idea if Holly knows this board exists, but I know there are people in the athletic department who do. If you are indeed an employee as others have suggested, how would your posting critical comments or incriminating information about a current coach be received? Just something to keep in mind with your "facts as you see them."
 
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Darth_Vol said:
I have no idea if Holly knows this board exists, but I know there are people in the athletic department who do. If you are indeed an employee as others have suggested, how would your posting critical comments or incriminating information about a current coach be received? Just something to keep in mind with your "facts as you see them."
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I have never claimed to be an employee, that's just something people here have accused me of.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I have never claimed to be an employee, that's just something people here have accused me of.
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Don't let em goad you DP.
You see what you see.
Its not that difficult to see it even in games.
Chemistry is essential at the top.

Time will tell if Kyra was a cancer, or if she was the nurse who couldn't get the doctor to listen to her when she saw the sponge missing.
 
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bobkitten said:
I find it astonishing that any LVs are not supporting important milestones for their teammates! Totally inexcusable, and those young women should be outed to all. It might just explain some of our troubles this past season. And if any players had undue sway over the decision to fire someone, THAT should be outed as well.

Do the LVs have some SNAKES on the team?
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There are,under certain circumstances, snakes on ANY team. The problem in that scenario is if the Head Coach is a skilled snake charmer.

Did we EVER hear such a rumor while Pat was in charge? I don't remember one, but I have no doubt it may have happened. If it did, the tale never grew wings.

And in Holly's short tenure, I have heard more concerns than we ever heard in all the time Pat was there. Her rumors not only have grown wings, they should have been part of the air show.
 
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TNnative said:
There are,under certain circumstances, snakes on ANY team. The problem in that scenario is if the Head Coach is a skilled snake charmer.

Did we EVER hear such a rumor while Pat was in charge? I don't remember one, but I have no doubt it may have happened. If it did, the tale never grew wings.

And in Holly's short tenure, I have heard more concerns than we ever heard in all the time Pat was there. Her rumors not only have grown wings, they should have been part of the air show.
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Are you one of the test-pilots?
this rumor was grounded until someone restarted the engine/
 
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DeerPark12 said:
That's not the case at all, you're misconstruing what I said.

In general, it was best for all parties that she move on. No one demanded it, no one threatened to leave over it or used "influence" to get it to happen. But it became very clear as the season moved on that this was the outcome needed.

But if she had remained here, particularly if she had remained and either of the other two assistants departed, I believe you would have seen more than one player leave.

I'm not going to address each comment individually, but I think many posters in this forum have greatly overestimated the value that Elzy brought to the program, particularly on the court.
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Don't think we've under estimated the value Holly's brought to the program.
 
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Sandvol said:
Don't think we've under estimated the value Holly's brought to the program.
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I can't even begin to imagine, heading a program like UT. Assisting, I am ready to for that tomorrow, but to HC... Quite a bit more intimidating.

The only quandary I am in re how she has handled it is: She was #2 under Pat for two decades, so she had a perfect role model... And the growth from year one to year last is minimal.

It, without being there for every meeting and every practice is impossible to surmise why the progress is what it is.... But, in retrospect, I have seen incredible transformations in teams, players and coaches in my time.

It can still happen.
 
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