Eminem's new song Berzerk

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I think the guy is talented as all get out. His subject matter gets redundant and a bit too dark for my taste though.
 
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ptclaus98 said:
He's not one of the greatest rappers ever. He was the first white rapper to get a major record deal. That is the basis of all his accomplishments. Dont get me wrong, he deserved that first record deal. He was hungry and ambitious and he truly was great in that era. But he never evolved. All his stuff after his first major record was as generic as can be. Popularity does not always equal greatness.
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Yes, Lose Yourself was terrible, Stan was worthless (rolling stone was wrong to rank either of them on their top 500 songs of all time and especially to put Lose Yourself as the highest rap song on the list), The Marshal Mathers LP and the Slim Shady LP never should've done anything (let alone platinum), and Recovery was horrid (despite being the most anticipated album in years and selling insanely with nearly unanimous positive reviews in the twitter/piracy age). No way he's the best mover of albums in rap history or is consistently ranked by people in the business as one of the greatest rappers ever.

The first white rapper was not eminem, Vanilla Ice had a record deal before him if we get technically, even if it was a one hit wonder. Kidrock got a deal at just about the same time, and people forget he isn't a bad rapper by any means or that Devil Without a Cause was one of the best rap albums of the year it was released.

You guys don't like him or think he's a gimmick, that's fine. The truth is you are wrong, and this isn't an opinion. Sales, popularity, people in the business, and any critical analysis of the actual songs themselves prove that. You can say "popularity does not equal greatness," and that's a fine opinion. Luckily the guy has grammy's (and emmy's) as well as producers, other artists of all genres, journalists and just well educated fans even who know where he sits in the best rappers every category, and that is anywhere from #1 to #4 or so depending on how you want to look at it.
 
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I don't any artist is so varying to me. Like I said, some of his songs are fantastic while some are awful. I think he's easily one of the best rappers out there if you are measuring on what he has achieved in awards, critiques, and overall public reception to the music.

Sadly there are a lot of haters because they don't appreciate the music. I appreciate the rhythm and the way he delivers most of his songs.
 
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milohimself said:
100%

Sampling is lazy, his flow is awkward, and Em's lyrics are usually delivered with the nuance of a ball peen hammer.

I don't care how many people like him. He's built his whole career on novelty rather than skill. Most people have awful taste. Dude is a terrible rapper
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Overrated without a doubt but terrible? Isn't trolling against some sort of Mod guideline?
 
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Daloth said:
Yes, Lose Yourself was terrible, Stan was worthless (rolling stone was wrong to rank either of them on their top 500 songs of all time and especially to put Lose Yourself as the highest rap song on the list), The Marshal Mathers LP and the Slim Shady LP never should've done anything (let alone platinum), and Recovery was horrid (despite being the most anticipated album in years and selling insanely with nearly unanimous positive reviews in the twitter/piracy age). No way he's the best mover of albums in rap history or is consistently ranked by people in the business as one of the greatest rappers ever.

The first white rapper was not eminem, Vanilla Ice had a record deal before him if we get technically, even if it was a one hit wonder. Kidrock got a deal at just about the same time, and people forget he isn't a bad rapper by any means or that Devil Without a Cause was one of the best rap albums of the year it was released.

You guys don't like him or think he's a gimmick, that's fine. The truth is you are wrong, and this isn't an opinion. Sales, popularity, people in the business, and any critical analysis of the actual songs themselves prove that. You can say "popularity does not equal greatness," and that's a fine opinion. Luckily the guy has grammy's (and emmy's) as well as producers, other artists of all genres, journalists and just well educated fans even who know where he sits in the best rappers every category, and that is anywhere from #1 to #4 or so depending on how you want to look at it.
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I suggest you listen to more rap if you think he's anywhere 1-4.

You mentioned the hook to "Berzerk" earlier and praised it, honestly it's the worst rap hook I've ever heard. That's not hyperbole.

Worst. Ever.
 
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GahLee said:
I suggest you listen to more rap if you think he's anywhere 1-4.

You mentioned the hook to "Berzerk" earlier and praised it, honestly it's the worst rap hook I've ever heard. That's not hyperbole.

Worst. Ever.
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Not a fan of Billy Squier I see.. Lol different taste for different folks..always have liked Em's earlier stuff a few songs of guilty conscience and liked MMLP but yea he does get overhyped..
 
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milohimself said:
100%

Sampling is lazy, his flow is awkward, and Em's lyrics are usually delivered with the nuance of a ball peen hammer.

I don't care how many people like him. He's built his whole career on novelty rather than skill. Most people have awful taste. Dude is a terrible rapper
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Were you even old enough to listen to Eminem Show and Encore? Have you gone back and listened? I know it wasn't long ago you were like 21 or 22 or something. I'm just wondering because you were what... 11 when that stuff was released? I doubt you've actually listened to either album from top to bottom other than the 3 songs you've heard on the radio. Maybe that's incorrect but if you were in fact around the age of 11 in 2002, I doubt you've listened to those albums. Probably heard "two trailer park girls go round the outside" and maybe three other trendy songs.

Most people have awful taste... do the Beatles suck too? Or does the taste of others only come into question when it validates your opinion? Yes, Twilight and Justin Bieber blow. But if all things suck because people have awful taste, I could sit here and argue that Breakfast Club and Elvis suck because "Most people have awful taste".

For the record, Elvis pretty much does suck. Michael Jackson, too. So I guess you're right... they're only popular because most people have awful taste. At least the Breakfast Club is good.

You don't think Eminem is good... doesn't change the fact he is. Proclaiming people have awful taste doesn't make it any less true. Unless you're willing to defer that Elvis and Michael Jackson suck too because I say their popularity is a product of people with bad taste. Hell, Jackson 5 is better than Michael Jackson.
 
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GahLee said:
I suggest you listen to more rap if you think he's anywhere 1-4.
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Biggie sucks and Tupac is overrated.

Am I free to think that or am I wrong because I don't buy into what I'm told?

If you like Metal or Rap, I bet you don't think the Beatles are the greatest band of all time. They are though...

At least Puff Daddy, I mean P Diddy... made it out alive to produce horrible music. Maybe he can cover another Police song.
 
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TOP said:
Biggie sucks and Tupac is overrated.

Am I free to think that or am I wrong because I don't buy into what I'm told?

If you like Metal or Rap, I bet you don't think the Beatles are the greatest band of all time. They are though...

At least Puff Daddy, I mean P Diddy... made it out alive to produce horrible music. Maybe he can cover another Police song.
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WTF are you babbling about?
 
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GahLee said:
I suggest you listen to more rap if you think he's anywhere 1-4.

You mentioned the hook to "Berzerk" earlier and praised it, honestly it's the worst rap hook I've ever heard. That's not hyperbole.

Worst. Ever.
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Go listen to Lose Yourself.

Go look at the internal rhyme scheme, if you know what that means. The man has three differeny rhyming patterns of words, throughout three different verses, on top of his lines at the end of each verse.

I doubt you read poetry, so you may not understand what I mean when I say rhyming, cadence, rhythm, word choice, multi syllable rhymes, etc. but when you consistently pull them off as well as he does? Yeah, that makes you one of the best. And one trolls opinion doesn't change that. Hell, Lose yourself has an entire 16 bars that is in iambic pentameter. If you think you can "accidentally" do that, then you have no clue the amount of time that goes into writing.

And I only use that song as an example because its probably his most famous. Most songs that hit big are simple, catchy, nothing more. His two most famous in Lose Yourself and Stan? Deep, well written, and follow all the tropes of great POETRY, not just rap.
 
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That was pretty condescending. I'm pretty sure most people who completed high school English know what all of those things are.
 
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milohimself said:
That was pretty condescending. I'm pretty sure most people who completed high school English know what all of those things are.
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In this day and age? I'd be surprised. Iambic pentameter? Yes. Enough to recognize it in a song? No. I know I was never taught poetry analysis using those concepts until college.
 
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