Ending Gifted Programs in Public Schools

[0nelilreb]

Maybe, BUT our most successful entrepreneurs are willing to pay more taxes

These “most successful entrepreneurs “ hire teams of accountants to work around those taxes . If I had Bill Gates money , I wouldn’t give a rats butt what you poor people wanted to raise my taxes bracket to .

 

[VolStrom]

What becomes of the rich people that bribe their kids into college? Have we no shame?

 

[USAFgolferVol]

What becomes of the rich people that bribe their kids into college? Have we no shame?

They're being charged as felons

 

[LouderVol]

Maybe, BUT our most successful entrepreneurs are willing to pay more taxes

And? I have no problem with free choice. Including stupidity, until it hurts someone else.

Requiring things and taking away free choice is bad.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Why do the Dems constantly dumb things down? Ask yourself that. The Dems in this country constantly tell minorities they are too stupid to make it with the white man. You expect me to feel guilty because you think less of someone else.

Stupidest voter base on the planet. Dem voter === NIV.

 

[C-south]

Why do the Dems constantly dumb things down? Ask yourself that. The Dems in this country constantly tell minorities they are too stupid to make it with the white man. You expect me to feel guilty because you think less of someone else.

Stupidest voter base on the planet. Dem voter === NIV.

It’s all about race baiting and victimhood. Their idea of “equality” is lowering standards for some and implementing diversity quotas.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Why do the Dems constantly dumb things down? Ask yourself that. The Dems in this country constantly tell minorities they are too stupid to make it with the white man. You expect me to feel guilty because you think less of someone else.

Stupidest voter base on the planet. Dem voter === NIV.

Not true and you are totally missing the point. If a student is making straight A's but isn't performing well on a standardized test, that is not an indictment of the student, but of the student's school system. Most liberals I know, feel that minorities in inner city school systems should have the same opportunities as white kids in parochial schools. The problem here isn't with the program for exceptional students itself, but it is with how the exceptional students are being identified. Too much emphasis is placed on standardized tests, which will invariably place those students in poorly funded public schools at a disadvantage. Ambition and hard work are talents and they deserve to be rewarded. Our system of education is inadequate in that regard. A student's grades should determine their placement in these programs... not a damn standardized test which will only confirm the bias that exists among our varying systems of education.

 

[C-south]

Not true and you are totally missing the point. If a student is making straight A's but isn't performing well on a standardized test, that is not an indictment of the student, but of the student's school system. Most liberals I know, feel that minorities in inner city school systems should have the same opportunities as white kids in parochial schools. The problem here isn't with the program for exceptional students itself, but it is with how the exceptional students are being identified. Too much emphasis is placed on standardized tests, which will invariably place those students in poorly funded public schools at a disadvantage. Ambition and hard work are talents and they deserve to be rewarded. Our system of education is inadequate in that regard. A student's grades should determine their placement in these programs... not a damn standardized test which will only confirm the bias that exists among our varying systems of education.

Do they not attend the same school? There’s always an excuse why someone underperforms and if you’re a minority it’s never your fault. The word “equality” is a f****** joke and people like you made it that way.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Do they not attend the same school? There’s always an excuse why someone underperforms and if you’re a minority it’s never your fault. The word “equality” is a f****** joke and people like you made it that way.

I didn't say that. I'm talking about students who earn good grades but their results on standardized tests are not correlated ... and placement in the type of program being discussed here, is too often dependent upon performance on these tests.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Not true and you are totally missing the point. If a student is making straight A's but isn't performing well on a standardized test, that is not an indictment of the student, but of the student's school system. Most liberals I know, feel that minorities in inner city school systems should have the same opportunities as white kids in parochial schools. The problem here isn't with the program for exceptional students itself, but it is with how the exceptional students are being identified. Too much emphasis is placed on standardized tests, which will invariably place those students in poorly funded public schools at a disadvantage. Ambition and hard work are talents and they deserve to be rewarded. Our system of education is inadequate in that regard. A student's grades should determine their placement in these programs... not a damn standardized test which will only confirm the bias that exists among our varying systems of education.

No one holds back any in school except
-themselves and their work ethic/intelligence
-their parents or lack there of
-bad life choices made by them or their family

Anyone can succeed in school with effort, even the crappy government schools

 

[C-south]

I didn't say that. I'm talking about students who earn good grades but their results on standardized tests are not correlated ... and placement in the type of program being discussed here, is too often dependent upon performance on these tests.

There’s always the possibility they’re not really making good grades. If they’re all going to the same school and being taught the same things they should all perform similarly on standardized tests. Playing the race card is complete bs.

 

[BowlBrother85]

There’s always the possibility they’re not really making good grades. If they’re all going to the same school and being taught the same things they should all perform similarly on standardized tests. Playing the race card is complete bs.

Who says they are all going to the same school? I don't play race cards. It's my understanding that there is a minimum test score to reach for placement in this program and if no students reach that score in a particular school system? Then no students are placed in the "talented and gifted" program from those schools.

 

[C-south]

Who says they are all going to the same school? It's my understanding that there is a minimum test score to reach for placement in this program and if no students reach that score in a particular school system? Then no students are placed in the "talented and gifted" program from that school.

Well that’s completely fine too.

 

[Sea Ray]

Not true and you are totally missing the point. If a student is making straight A's but isn't performing well on a standardized test, that is not an indictment of the student, but of the student's school system. Most liberals I know, feel that minorities in inner city school systems should have the same opportunities as white kids in parochial schools. The problem here isn't with the program for exceptional students itself, but it is with how the exceptional students are being identified. Too much emphasis is placed on standardized tests, which will invariably place those students in poorly funded public schools at a disadvantage. Ambition and hard work are talents and they deserve to be rewarded. Our system of education is inadequate in that regard. A student's grades should determine their placement in these programs... not a damn standardized test which will only confirm the bias that exists among our varying systems of education.

This is about students w/i the same school district. They all come from the same school system as you put it

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Why do the Dems constantly dumb things down? Ask yourself that. The Dems in this country constantly tell minorities they are too stupid to make it with the white man. You expect me to feel guilty because you think less of someone else.

Stupidest voter base on the planet. Dem voter === NIV.

It’s called soft racism of low expectations.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Seattle is one of a few school districts in this country that is ending its gifted programs because they don't approve of the race(s) of the students. In other words, there are too many whites and Asians.




So these racist liberals want to end the program because there aren't enough black kids in it. How is that not racism towards the white and Asians that qualify for this program? How does ending this help the black kids?

This is how screwed up our education is these days. Think other countries are holding their brightest kids back 'cause of racial disparities?

God better bless America 'cause she needs it

When everyone is special .... no one will be

 

[82_VOL_83]

Not true and you are totally missing the point. If a student is making straight A's but isn't performing well on a standardized test, that is not an indictment of the student, but of the student's school system. Most liberals I know, feel that minorities in inner city school systems should have the same opportunities as white kids in parochial schools. The problem here isn't with the program for exceptional students itself, but it is with how the exceptional students are being identified. Too much emphasis is placed on standardized tests, which will invariably place those students in poorly funded public schools at a disadvantage. Ambition and hard work are talents and they deserve to be rewarded. Our system of education is inadequate in that regard. A student's grades should determine their placement in these programs... not a damn standardized test which will only confirm the bias that exists among our varying systems of education.

So a 6th grader that tests as a 7th grader is === a 6th grader that tests as a 4th grader. Standardized tests work because they are STANDARDIZED. STANDARDIZATION DOESN'T CARE ABOUT COLOR!

You make my point for me. And you are correct, it is the school system. But why do you hold a kid back that continually tests a grade or two ahead just to make it equal for one that tests a grade or two behind?

The dumbing down of America, live and on stage tonight in South Carolina!

 

[82_VOL_83]

I didn't say that. I'm talking about students who earn good grades but their results on standardized tests are not correlated ... and placement in the type of program being discussed here, is too often dependent upon performance on these tests.

This is a BS excuse. You don't make A's in pertinent subjects and fail standardized tests. What you are making A's in is PE and remedial reading and math. Then you say they don't test well. Bull chit.

 

[BowlBrother85]

This is a BS excuse. You don't make A's in pertinent subjects and fail standardized tests. What you are making A's in is PE and remedial reading and math. Then you say they don't test well. Bull chit.

I'm not talking about anyone failing a standardized test. I'm talking about an A student from an inner city school system not performing as well on a standardized test as an A student from a suburban parochial school would. There is inequality. You added the word "fail".

 

[82_VOL_83]

I'm not talking about anyone failing a standardized test. I'm talking about an A student from an inner city school system not performing as well on a standardized test as an A student from a suburban parochial school would. There is inequality. You added the word "fail".

And you completely missed the next sentence. That is the reason why. Not the test, not the student, the system. Change the school system, not the tests, not the level of knowledge, no extra points for color or ethnicity. Fix the problem, don't bandaid it. I live daily the issue of the PC, feelz, everyone counts the same. It's pathetic what we are turning out today and calling smart.

 

[Sea Ray]

I'm not talking about anyone failing a standardized test. I'm talking about an A student from an inner city school system not performing as well on a standardized test as an A student from a suburban parochial school would. There is inequality. You added the word "fail".

That's not what this thread's about. If you want to talk about that, start a thread on it and make a point.

 

[happy-go_vol]

You mean all those people that don't go to college?

Yeah, those brilliant colleges kids who get degrees in midget lesbian studies.

 

[85SugarVol]

Who says they are all going to the same school? I don't play race cards. It's my understanding that there is a minimum test score to reach for placement in this program and if no students reach that score in a particular school system? Then no students are placed in the "talented and gifted" program from those schools.

Why not a “talented and gifted” program for those schools, comprised of students from said schools?

Then you could enrich the students in those schools setting themselves apart.

 

[C-south]

Why not a “talented and gifted” program for those schools, comprised of students from said schools?

Then you could enrich the students in those schools setting themselves apart.

Because that would make too much sense. They call them standardized tests for a reason. If the gifted program isn’t at the school but a broader group say in a district or county it should still be easy to see where students are lacking and what they need to do to get up to speed. Then there’s always the realization that not all kids are gonna be smart enough to participate in gifted programs and why should anyone give a s*** about the color of any of their skin.

 

[Septic]

Taxes, healthcare, democracy, education apparently, the military. I am sure there are others I am missing.

Anything designed to be fair is going to "punish" the successful.

This discussion has morphed from 'gifted' to 'hard working' to 'successful.'

All three are mutually exclusive.