Enough is enough...

#26
#26
govols1864 said:
I would be stressed to if i lied straight to the NCAA's face and was prob going to get suspended for a year.
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With all the NCAA investagations over the yrs do you really think Pearl is the only one to lie to them. What makes him unique is he owned up to it. Gene Stallings threw the NCAA out of his office.:eek:hmy:
 
#27
#27
Vols033 said:
I agree with the OP. I have really enjoyed Pearl as our coach, but there comes a time when a move needs to be made. Can't really think of any good replacements, but maybe whoever comes can run a friggin play in the last seconds of a game to get us a shot rather than taking a 3 when we are tied or down by only 1.
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I understand what you!re saying, but in all fairness to CBP, he doesn't run the plays or take the shots. Yes, he calls them, but it's then up to the players to do what they're told. Whatever happend tonight at the end of the game, I'm not sure. But I do believe that CBP knows what he's doing. Getting the players to do it is sometimes another thing.
 
#28
#28
Drivebye said:
With all the NCAA investagations over the yrs do you really think Pearl is the only one to lie to them. What makes him unique is he owned up to it. Gene Stallings threw the NCAA out of his office.:eek:hmy:
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i know that is what they claimed at the press conference but there is no way he owned up to it before the NCAA knew.
 
#29
#29
volwarrior33 said:
I've been very hesitant to say Pearl should be fired. This situation as a whole has no doubt been very bad for the program. Tonight was the final straw for me. While I hope Tennessee does well while he is here, it's become clear that Pearl needs to be removed for the overall health of the program.

It pains me to say, as I've been a Pearl supporter since he was hired and have really enjoyed watching him improve the program and coach during his time here. All in all, the damage this has and will do to the program cannot be overlooked. I look forward to the next chapter of our program whenever it begins.
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One mediocre season and some people who have never dribbled a basketball are calling for Bruce Pearl's head. What we are seeing this season is still head and shoulders above what we saw before Bruce Pearl come to UT.
 
#32
#32
Drivebye said:
Maybe you can go get Buzz Peterson to coach for the VOLS. Remember him,how about Jerry Green. Pearl lied. Other than that it was secondary.:peace2:
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Some of us were Tennessee basketball fans before Pearl. That must be why we don't have trouble imagining Tennessee basketball after Pearl.
 
#33
#33
Freak said:
This season isn't over yet, and maybe I'm misunderstanding your post, but I don't think being a bubble team with a .500 conference record qualifies as "running the program into ground".
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I like the combination of optimism and realism. Pearl has done it before with less. We may still beat the Cats and make a deep run in March..., but maybe we won't.

The fact that everyone is so upset with .500 in the SEC shows how much Pearl has elevated expectations above our expectations for the program over the 20 years preceding his arrival. Those of us who say we stank before Pearl are not idiots. We know we've had past successes. We also remember how rare those successes were. Anger for this season is only proof of the fact that Tennessee basketball's definition of normal has changed so dramatically. I will even concede the fact that thus far, Pearl has done a poor job with this team. But from a strictly team-performance based perspective, Pearl has earned a season or two to prove he can do better.

If you want to fire him for the lying, that, I completely understand. I disagree, but understand.
 
#34
#34
At what point do we hold several players who are clearly becoming overrated accountable? Why should all of this fall on the coach? Coaching can't cure many of the bone-headed mistakes taking place on that court. Coaching can't make players magically appear to take the place of these players making the bone headed mistakes.
 
#35
#35
NeylandArmy said:
At what point do we hold several players who are clearly becoming overrated accountable? Why should all of this fall on the coach? Coaching can't cure many of the bone-headed mistakes taking place on that court. Coaching can't make players magically appear to take the place of these players making the bone headed mistakes.
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Give me a break. First, the coach recruited all the "overrated players." Second, he's the one that consistently fails in late game situations. Third, the "bone-headed mistakes" are a function of being pathetic fundamentally, which also falls directly on the coaches.
 
#36
#36
volwarrior33 said:
I've been very hesitant to say Pearl should be fired. This situation as a whole has no doubt been very bad for the program. Tonight was the final straw for me. While I hope Tennessee does well while he is here, it's become clear that Pearl needs to be removed for the overall health of the program.

It pains me to say, as I've been a Pearl supporter since he was hired and have really enjoyed watching him improve the program and coach during his time here. All in all, the damage this has and will do to the program cannot be overlooked. I look forward to the next chapter of our program whenever it begins.
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I agree with all of this. The best scenario, imo, would be for Pearl to announce his intentions to resign at the end of the season very soon. This would take a lot of pressure off of everyone involved, allow for the possibility of finishing this season strong, and be the best option for all parties involved.
 
#37
#37
LawVol13 said:
I agree with all of this. The best scenario, imo, would be for Pearl to announce his intentions to resign at the end of the season very soon. This would take a lot of pressure off of everyone involved, allow for the possibility of finishing this season strong, and be the best option for all parties involved.
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I'm still not following why tonight is the "last straw". It's a March sport; why not wait to throw our hands up in the air at least at a relevant time?

I also fail to see where having a (known) lame duck coach will do any good. Maybe the kids will want to have one last hurrah for the coach, but I think they'd probably not give a damn knowing the guy is out anyway.

The funny thing is that we could easily finish up 5-1 with the upcoming schedule and all this talk will be forgotten. So, I see no reason to cater to reactionary fan bases after a couple of road losses.
 
#38
#38
LawVol13 said:
I agree with all of this. The best scenario, imo, would be for Pearl to announce his intentions to resign at the end of the season very soon. This would take a lot of pressure off of everyone involved, allow for the possibility of finishing this season strong, and be the best option for all parties involved.
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In my opinion that would be a terrible decision because that would add only that much more pressure to the team especially when the star players are not NBA ready yet (Hopson and Harris) and should be back next year. This would only have them thinking of what they should do next since the coach that recruited them isn't going to be here. Also, it may have the player's feeling responsible for having the coach leave.

We just got off the road @Kentucky and @Florida. We got two very winnable games against much lesser opponents this week. 17-10 would put a lot more confidence in this team heading down the stretch where the back of the bubble is very very soft this year.
 
#39
#39
Unimane said:
The funny thing is that we could easily finish up 5-1 with the upcoming schedule and all this talk will be forgotten.
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This talk won't be "forgotten" if we win a couple games. It is the central issue with this team. Pearl himself admits that this spectacle has cost the team. Tonight wasn't a final straw for me at all. The inevitable has been clear for a long time. I see him announcing his resignation being good for the school: so they can immediately begin a thorough search for his replacement. It will end some of this turmoil for the players, all of whom I would think would at least wait until a coach is named before deciding their next move. And, it will take the pressure off of Pearl and possibly allow him to finish strong and audition for his next gig.
 
#40
#40
LawVol13 said:
This talk won't be "forgotten" if we win a couple games. It is the central issue with this team. Pearl himself admits that this spectacle has cost the team. Tonight wasn't a final straw for me at all. The inevitable has been clear for a long time. I see him announcing his resignation being good for the school: so they can immediately begin a thorough search for his replacement. It will end some of this turmoil for the players, all of whom I would think would at least wait until a coach is named before deciding their next move. And, it will take the pressure off of Pearl and possibly allow him to finish strong and audition for his next gig.
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Ok, I was mixing the "final straw" comment with the rest of the thread, but I think you're being overly optimistic that offering a resignation will be the salve for everyone involved. It certainly wouldn't end any pressure for Pearl, not without knowing what the NCAA may do with a possible show cause lingering over his head. The uncertainty of who will coach certainly won't benefit the players, either. The rest of the season will then be played with a lame duck coach and players worried about the future rather than the present.

No way any of this is good, I don't see how you could convince yourself otherwise.
 
#41
#41
Unimane said:
Ok, I was mixing the "final straw" comment with the rest of the thread, but I think you're being overly optimistic that offering a resignation will be the salve for everyone involved. It certainly wouldn't end any pressure for Pearl, not without knowing what the NCAA may do with a possible show cause lingering over his head. The uncertainty of who will coach certainly won't benefit the players, either. The rest of the season will then be played with a lame duck coach and players worried about the future rather than the present.

No way any of this is good, I don't see how you could convince yourself otherwise.
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I see it as the best option in a crappy situation. Not suggesting that it's the perfect solution, just the best one.
 
#42
#42
LawVol13 said:
I see it as the best option in a crappy situation. Not suggesting that it's the perfect solution, just the best one.
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Personally, I think the best method is to just say we'll worry about the future when we get there, but, as for now, we can still do something special. You start making this a farewell tour and you open yourself up to more problems with players focusing on a future without you, questions about transferring, new coaches and its impact on them, etc.
 
#43
#43
LawVol13 said:
I see it as the best option in a crappy situation. Not suggesting that it's the perfect solution, just the best one.
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I see your point, but I disagree. If we win these two games next week then we are solidly in again and the situation isn't that crappy anymore. Now if we lose Wednesday, then I could see this happening. But not after @Florida and @Kentucky.
 
#44
#44
Unimane said:
Personally, I think the best method is to just say we'll worry about the future when we get there, but, as for now, we can still do something special. You start making this a farewell tour and you open yourself up to more problems with players focusing on a future without you, questions about transferring, new coaches and its impact on them, etc.
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Do you really think the players aren't already thinking of exactly the things you mentioned?
 
#46
#46
tvols75 said:
I see your point, but I disagree. If we win these two games next week then we are solidly in again and the situation isn't that crappy anymore. Now if we lose Wednesday, then I could see this happening. But not after @Florida and @Kentucky.
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The situation I was referring to was more the program as a whole, not just the conference schedule.
 
#47
#47
LawVol13 said:
Do you really think the players aren't already thinking of exactly the things you mentioned?
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They're kids. Looking into the future is not always a high priority and you can get them to focus on the present pretty easily if you emphasize it. However, you start giving them tangible reasons to lose focus, you have more problems. I'm sure they've thought about the future with the sanctions, but not to the extent and perspective as you or I with our greater awareness of time.

I deal with kids everyday. They're not stupid, but they do lack wisdom and, often, foresight, unless you give them real reason to do so.
 
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