Eric Ainge QB rating

#26
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Originally posted by Liper@Nov 9, 2005 9:55 AM
Neither one of them are great, but I think Clausen can manage the game better.  Ainge is an INT waiting to happen.
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The season is dead at this point and it's time to look toward the future. EA should play every game from here out, just to see if he is a viable option for next year.
 
#27
#27
Originally posted by Liper@Nov 9, 2005 8:55 AM
Without Clausen, we probably lose to UAB and definitely lose against LSU. 
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With Clausen what have we done? His top notch skills and leadership have given us how many losses? How many 3 and outs? How many drives of more than 30 yards? He may have good "skills" with players but it is NOT getting it done.

Fumbles: Ainge 3, Clausen 2
Interceptions: Ainge 6, Clausen 4
TDs: Ainge 3, Clausen 3

Clausen had 310 yards against UGA. What did he have to show for it?

We can quote stats all day long here. But for his experience under two systems, his years in the game, and all of the skills he supposedly has Clausen has not given us what counts: WINS. He's had more time in the games. We've had more 3 and outs. We've had no movement down the field. He can only throw short passes which limits the field and makes defenses have an easier job to defend us. Clausen turns the offense into pee wee league. He handicaps us. So making him out to be the hands down best is not working.

Both guys are weak, yes. But Clausen has more credentials than Ainge and should be running the game and winning it for us. The thing that I find humorous that some of you are saying Clausen's experience should have him the job are the same ones who say the opposite about Ainge next year.

I say keep it with Ainge. Clausen says he wants to be a coach when he graduates. Give him what he wants. Let him "tutor" Ainge if he's that good.
 
#28
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 9, 2005 10:58 AM
With Clausen what have we done? His top notch skills and leadership have given us how many losses? How many 3 and outs? How many drives of more than 30 yards? He may have good "skills" with players but it is NOT getting it done.

Fumbles: Ainge 3, Clausen 2
Interceptions: Ainge 6, Clausen 4
TDs: Ainge 3, Clausen 3

Clausen had 310 yards against UGA. What did he have to show for it?

We can quote stats all day long here. But for his experience under two systems, his years in the game, and all of the skills he supposedly has Clausen has not given us what counts: WINS. He's had more time in the games. We've had more 3 and outs. We've had no movement down the field. He can only throw short passes which limits the field and makes defenses have an easier job to defend us. Clausen turns the offense into pee wee league. He handicaps us. So making him out to be the hands down best is not working.

Both guys are weak, yes. But Clausen has more credentials than Ainge and should be running the game and winning it for us. The thing that I find humorous that some of you are saying Clausen's experience should have him the job are the same ones who say the opposite about Ainge next year.

I say keep it with Ainge. Clausen says he wants to be a coach when he graduates. Give him what he wants. Let him "tutor" Ainge if he's that good.
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Most of your comments arent really backed up by the qb ratings for each qb. Clausen's stats are considerably better then Ainges. For example, Clausen is completing almost 60% of his passes, Ainge a little over 40%. Clausen averaged 158 yds/game and Ainge only 85.0. Clausen's QB rating is 118.68. Ainge's is 75.85. Statistically speaking, they are not even in the same league.

I think if Clausen is the starter we would have probably beaten Florida and South Carolina. Clausen played very well at the beginning of the season, before he got bruised up. Instead of being 3-5 right now, we could have been 5-3. If Ainge had started the whole season, we would be looking at 2-6 now, possibly even 1-6, losing to both UAB and LSU.

PASSING GP Effic Att-Cmp-Int Pct Yds TD Lng Avg/G
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Rick Clausen 7 118.68 160-95-4 59.4 1107 3 53 158.1
Erik Ainge 6 75.85 117-48-6 41.0 510 3 26 85.0
 
#29
#29
Your reference to ypg doesn't hold since Clausen has been in more games and in games longer than Ainge. You can quote QB ratings but that doesn't reflect in the win column. You make Clausen sound better than he performs. His 'fluffed' stats are not offering any help to the running game by spreading the field. He's not driving down the field and getting points on the board.

Again, with someone with his "experience", time in the game, leadership and people skills as him, he's not that different in the fumble, interception and TD pass category as Ainge.

Again higher rating doesn't make him the better QB.
 
#30
#30
I think everyone is overlooking one glaring thing about both qb's. Neither one got the snaps in the off season to develop any kind of timing with the hundred or so receivers we've played this year. And while the qb's as a whole have not helped our cause with over throws, int's, intentional grounding etc...the receivers haven't exactly been making these guys look good either. they should keep individual stats on dropped balls for receivers in my opinion.

I don't care who you have as a qb, if he doesn't get reps, a lot of reps, he can't develop the relationship with the receivers he needs to know what he can and can't do with each one.

I read an interview or saw one one time just after Peyton graduated...he talked about his summer workouts with the receivers...and how the coaches went to him to find out who he liked working with the best...his name: Joey Kent.

I'm not saying that any of the qb's have to be a Peyton Manning, but they need the same opportunity.

I think Ainge has suffered because of the whole "clausen can manage the game" thing. Clausen is not that good folks. He can't do crap with the ball, unless the receiver is turned around facing him and standing still (i know that's exagerated, but you can't argue that not once all year has Rick completed a touch pass over the shoulder) And not that Eric has, but his throws are getting there, and with a little work, they could all improve i think.

At this point it's not about EA or RC being better than the other, it's about getting better than you are NOW. And that won't happne until the off season.
 
#31
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 9, 2005 9:58 AM
With Clausen what have we done? His top notch skills and leadership have given us how many losses? How many 3 and outs? How many drives of more than 30 yards? He may have good "skills" with players but it is NOT getting it done.
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One major place we disagree is just flat-out laying all wins and losses at the feet of the QB, in addition to team TDs.

My point was that it seemed pretty clear to me that UAB and LSU would have been losses if not for Clausen. Additionally, I think we would have beaten FL - just my opinion there.

You have every right to think Ainge is better. That doesn't bother me. However, I think your defense of him playing over RC is made up of theoretical constructs, e.g. you THINK that defenses will respect our passing game if he is in. That's fine, I just don't agree at all.
 
#32
#32
Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 8, 2005 11:59 PM
The funny thing is that with as much time as Clausen has been on the field he and Ainge have the same amount of touchdowns. So since points matter greatly in games could you assume (yes I know what happens when you assume) that the longer Ainge is in there the more points you get? We scored 21 points against ND with him in the whole game.

As far as his completion percentage I'm not all for that being held in high regard with all of the drops out there. The droppies playing WR have done more to kill morale for Ainge and Clausen than ou record right now. The WR's catching the balls would bump those numbers up a lot higher.

Again, keep whining about Clausen being better. After looking at the points scored, time of both in practice and in game, and who can get the ball down the field and opening up options, if you still think Clausen is better, God help us all. Clausen had his chance. Look at our record. Give the young guy a chance since he is future and Clausen is leaving.

Fulmer probably sees no hope for Jimmy Clausen so he thinks there's no chance to repeat the Leak family crisis situation again.
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Beautifully said!!!!!!
 
#33
#33
Jimmy Clausen ain't comin' here no matter if RC started every game...that's a waste of time, and Phil knows it.
 
#34
#34
Erik Ainge will have his hands full during spring practice next season. In fact, he could get beat out. :question:
 
#35
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Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Nov 8, 2005 7:33 PM
Before everyone hatches all their chickens, why don't we first see how Crompton does in rehab?  The kid did just have major surgery on his shoulder, you know.  Hmmmm. . . .I'm trying to remember the last time we had a QB suffer a shoulder injury and how he did immediately thereafter. . . . .Hmmmmm. . . .takers?
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yea but crompton had enough sense to go get his fixed unlike ainge!!! I dont know if you have noticed but ainge has a great big head but thats it he has no brain!!
 
#36
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 9, 2005 3:01 PM
Your reference to ypg doesn't hold since Clausen has been in more games and in games longer than Ainge. You can quote QB ratings but that doesn't reflect in the win column. You make Clausen sound better than he performs. His 'fluffed' stats are not offering any help to the running game by spreading the field. He's not driving down the field and getting points on the board.

Again, with someone with his "experience", time in the game, leadership and people skills as him, he's not that different in the fumble, interception and TD pass category as Ainge.

Again higher rating doesn't make him the better QB.
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what does then if ratings dont??? I guess somebody come up with rating when they were drunk according to you!!! its not like ainge has not had his chance!!! if he was a better qb right now he would have played in all those games!!!
 
#37
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Originally posted by thebiglowboski@Nov 9, 2005 5:00 PM
what does then if ratings dont??? 
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Ratings don't win games my friend. He could be perfect in passing those little fluffy passes. But until he gets that ball further down the field and scores TDs he can wrap himself in stats printouts all day.

Go ahead and defend mediocre. Again, you've failed to show something credible, like wins and points, why Clausen isn't the consistent starter. You gotta be drunk to keep thinking Clausen's going to win it all for us.
 
#38
#38
Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 9, 2005 6:38 PM
Ratings don't win games my friend. He could be perfect in passing those little fluffy passes. But until he gets that ball further down the field and scores TDs he can wrap himself in stats printouts all day.

Go ahead and defend mediocre. Again, you've failed to show something credible, like wins and points, why Clausen isn't the consistent starter. You gotta be drunk to keep thinking Clausen's going to win it all for us.
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There was no one who supported Ainge more then me before the season started, but at what point do you face reality and say he is not the same qb who started last year?

I challenge you to find a qb in the NCAA with worse stats through as many games as Ainge has played. We are talking about probably one of the worst performing QB's in division I right now. Anyone who thinks a qb completing 40% of his passes and throwing twice as many int's as td's is going to succeed is crazy.
 
#39
#39
Originally posted by oklavol@Nov 9, 2005 8:28 PM
There was no one who supported Ainge more then me before the season started, but at what point do you face reality and say he is not the same qb who started last year?

I challenge you to find a qb in the NCAA with worse stats through as many games as Ainge has played.  We are talking about probably one of the worst performing QB's in division I right now.  Anyone who thinks a qb completing 40% of his passes and throwing twice as many int's as  td's is going to succeed is crazy.
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I said it earlier...he needs reps. that's the difference...sophomore slumps are nothing new...look at Chad Henne at Mich. He didn't exactly light it up every game, in fact there were rumblings up there about benching him as well...

get him in the spring as the NO1, let him get the reps with the rec. corp...then you can accurately evaluate him...plus, hopefully with a good hire at OC you'll get some one that can help tutor him thru the mental part of this thing...

the last thing we need is a Heath Shuler with no legs!!
 
#40
#40
Originally posted by oklavol@Nov 9, 2005 7:28 PM
Anyone who thinks a qb completing 40% of his passes and throwing twice as many int's as  td's is going to succeed is crazy.
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And Clausen's approximately 60% completion has done SOOOO much for our team. Again, that number shows little of value when all things are considered. He's scored just as many TDs as Clausen with half the time on the field.

Unfortunately both QBs suck. But Ainge brings more options to the table. Fact is he's playing.
 
#41
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 9, 2005 5:38 PM
Ratings don't win games my friend. He could be perfect in passing those little fluffy passes. But until he gets that ball further down the field and scores TDs he can wrap himself in stats printouts all day.

Go ahead and defend mediocre. Again, you've failed to show something credible, like wins and points, why Clausen isn't the consistent starter. You gotta be drunk to keep thinking Clausen's going to win it all for us.
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the question was if rating dont tell you about a qb than what does?????????????????? according to you!!! interceptions!! passes 10 feet over a recievers head!! and poor decision makeing!!! And your drunk anyway because i dont believe anyone said clausen is going to win it all for us!! He gives us the best chance to win and if he didnt than all those coaches that get paid the big bucks would have not played him and let him start!! Now argue all you want but facts or facts!!
 
#42
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Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 9, 2005 8:21 PM
And Clausen's approximately 60% completion has done SOOOO much for our team. Again, that number shows little of value when all things are considered. He's scored just as many TDs as Clausen with half the time on the field.

Unfortunately both QBs suck. But Ainge brings more options to the table. Fact is he's playing.
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i bet you didnt say that once he won at lsu for us huh????

 
#44
#44
Brady's qb rating was better than peyton for monday night football but the pat's lost miserably!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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