ESPN Article... Here’s what they are saying

[37620VOL]

It's hard to get good women's ncaa stats which is unfortunate. But it appears to me that 33% puts you in the top 50th percentile. 37% puts you in the top 5-10%. 40% is top 1%.

 

[Voltopia]

"In a program that has lacked the star power over the past few years to match its history, Davis could be a standout."

I really think this is one of the biggest things people on this board miss when they ask about some of Tennessee's struggles. Fans became accustomed to seeing the best of the best every year. Pat had second strings of McDonalds All-Americans on her bench. Everyone she rolled out there could play. But the pool of talent is smaller in this sport, and once you get out of the really big names in a recruiting class, that talent drops off. That's not good. That's not bad. It's just reality. The available talent in each class is smaller and always concentrated at the top. The only way to solve it is to recruit the thoroughbreds. You have to. If you want to compete with the top teams, you have to.

 

[T.J.]

"In a program that has lacked the star power over the past few years to match its history, Davis could be a standout."

I really think this is one of the biggest things people on this board miss when they ask about some of Tennessee's struggles. Fans became accustomed to seeing the best of the best every year. Pat had second strings of McDonalds All-Americans on her bench. Everyone she rolled out there could play. But the pool of talent is smaller in this sport, and once you get out of the really big names in a recruiting class, that talent drops off. That's not good. That's not bad. It's just reality. The available talent in each class is smaller and always concentrated at the top. The only way to solve it is to recruit the thoroughbreds. You have to. If you want to compete with the top teams, you have to.

I agree with you. One thing I might add Holly had the 5 star players just like Pat. The difference was the coaching.

 

[Bballnut1952]

you should be ... those FT percentages are good

but in going to RU sight i have a better appreciation for our opponents 3% accuracy. That’s not a knock on RU just a pat on the back for UT.

"How is 32.3 shooting compared to 39.2 for opponents sound ️"

Better after today's game where they went 11-22. What a difference a day makes, 24 little hours.

36.8 shooting compared to 36.3 for opponents.

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

"How is 32.3 shooting compared to 39.2 for opponents sound ️"

Better after today's game where they went 11-22. What a difference a day makes, 24 little hours.

36.8 shooting compared to 36.3 for opponents.

In the last 24 hours we got a win against a top #15 team. So i get feeling better about my team after 24 hours . A little 24 hours

Hopefully Hampton doesn’t feel too bad after 24 hours since this was only their second game of the year and the first since Dec 9th.

Great job to RU and their shooting against Hampton

 

[Bballnut1952]

In the last 24 hours we got a win against a top #15 team. So i get feeling better about my team after 24 hours . A little 24 hours

Hopefully Hampton doesn’t feel too bad after 24 hours since this was only their second game of the year and the first since Dec 9th.

Great job to RU and their shooting against Hampton

LOL....shooting is shooting. I don't care the opponent. Hell, Indiana had a ton of open threes and didn't hit many.

Talking about wins? YEah, not the best opponent. But that wasn't what we were "discussing"...lol.

I'm proud of my girls.

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

LOL....shooting is shooting. I don't care the opponent. Hell, Indiana had a ton of open threes and didn't hit many.

Talking about wins? YEah, not the best opponent. But that wasn't what we were "discussing"...lol.

I'm proud of my girls.

No you brought up the 24 hours and i was just updating a Rutgers fan of what was going on in Lady Vol world and the happenings of the last 24 hours since you brought it up

Hey i gave your team credit lol

 

[MsSportsGuy]

Read the comments and they aren't wrong. Turnovers have been a problem for years and honestly the lack of consistent post play is an issue because there isn't anywhere to get points when the outside shots aren't falling, which contributes to the lower shooting percentage.

 

[papatomany]

Here's a bunch of numbers. (Sorry folks... I'm a geek for this stuff.)

These are all of Kelly's teams, beginning with most recent:

3pt% national ranking
31.7 135
33.3 90
31.2 186
32 150
31.9 136
33.3 96
32.8 101
35.6 16
32.6 65
30.6 186
33.3 97
32.6 115
? 249
30.9 171
31.8 140
31.1 147

This reflects both style of play and the kind of player Kelly recruits, and it's absurdly consistent. We're shooting exactly as effectively as anyone looking at past numbers would have expected.

 

[papatomany]

...and then there are her rankings for turnovers per game:

255
86
24
197
64
203
271
230
262
233
227
188
178
227
226
213

So, again, to expect any of her teams to suddenly learn to stop being careless with the ball is unrealistic. If she wins, it'll be with solid defense and solid rebounding. (And the next Candace Parker wouldn't hurt.)

 

[Bballnut1952]

...and then there are her rankings for turnovers per game:

255
86
24
197
64
203
271
230
262
233
227
188
178
227
226
213

So, again, to expect any of her teams to suddenly learn to stop being careless with the ball is unrealistic. If she wins, it'll be with solid defense and solid rebounding. (And the next Candace Parker wouldn't hurt.)

I always appreciate a poster that puts in the time to put together stats. Thanks.

 

[LadyOrange]

Here's a bunch of numbers. (Sorry folks... I'm a geek for this stuff.)

These are all of Kelly's teams, beginning with most recent:

3pt% national ranking
31.7 135
33.3 90
31.2 186
32 150
31.9 136
33.3 96
32.8 101
35.6 16
32.6 65
30.6 186
33.3 97
32.6 115
? 249
30.9 171
31.8 140
31.1 147

This reflects both style of play and the kind of player Kelly recruits, and it's absurdly consistent. We're shooting exactly as effectively as anyone looking at past numbers would have expected.

Well, it’s more complicated. This is Kellie’s first year with her recruits on the floor. She inherited players at every school, so simply looking at these numbers out of context doesn’t shed light on anything.

 

[LadyOrange]

I always appreciate a poster that puts in the time to put together stats. Thanks.

Again, Kellie has had a brand new season and a Covid season to work with players. Also, a coach can only do so much. Players have to learn to make good decisions with the ball.

 

[Darth_Vol]

So, again, to expect any of her teams to suddenly learn to stop being careless with the ball is unrealistic. If she wins, it'll be with solid defense and solid rebounding. (And the next Candace Parker wouldn't hurt.)

So you're saying we can look forward to years of watching teams that can't shoot and can't take care of the ball. Cool...

 

[37620VOL]

...and then there are her rankings for turnovers per game:

255
86
24
197
64
203
271
230
262
233
227
188
178
227
226
213

So, again, to expect any of her teams to suddenly learn to stop being careless with the ball is unrealistic. If she wins, it'll be with solid defense and solid rebounding. (And the next Candace Parker wouldn't hurt.)

That four year run at the top looks pretty good. Was that Missouri State?

 

[papatomany]

That four year run at the top looks pretty good. Was that Missouri State?

Yeah, they're in order from most recent.

 

[papatomany]

Well, it’s more complicated. This is Kellie’s first year with her recruits on the floor. She inherited players at every school, so simply looking at these numbers out of context doesn’t shed light on anything.

The context is that, for three point percentage, there is one single year that is an anomaly (the 35.6%, of course), which means that irrespective of circumstance, her teams uncannily shoot the same year after year after year, with inherited players and with her recruits. If you expect 32%, you'll be darned close; occasionally a point and a half lower, occasionally a point and a half higher. There is one single season above 33.3% and one single season below 31.1%.