ESPN Article on Coach Kim

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Dainfluencer8 said:
Both men & women teams are going to require patience and fans flushing out last season!! You going to have to mentally regroup with the men team. This is a new team & right now the biggest issue I see is “chemistry”… I think once the chemistry forms, the flow of the game and what they trying to do will be easier. But it’s just going to take time. This Saturday Louisville game is going to be a great test.
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At least it won’t be at Barclays in nyc. That is our offense vacuum abyss.
 
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I didn’t realize when the baby is due. Right at the start of SEC play. With both first time parents being involved with teams playing in the heart of the season at that time it might be a good time to call in a grandmother. Actually anytime is a good time to bring in grandmother reinforcements!
 
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I always thought our S&C under Kellie was, to put it mildly, subpar no matter what style you play.

I have no concerns on that front with the new regime.

One area I will be watching closely though is how she coaches in game. Can she make adjustments, set up plays, use timeouts wisely, and manage the clock. She seems to let her assistant do more of that than some coaches, and is not prone to calling timeouts. We will have to see how that works out for her.

She will be up against some very experienced coaches and will not have much margin for error given the talent in the league.
 
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I emailed the writer stating that while her article was a good one, the picture left much to be desired. I also pointed out it might not be a good idea to leave the picture choice to a bunch of Uconn grads in Bristol.

Think it'll be changed?
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Just why was that pic selected and placed at the top of the article? And people wonder why so many fans question ESPN's favoritism and journalistic integrity!

I thought the article was well written by Andrea Adelson, ESPN Senior Writer & ACC Network Contributor. Uh oh... then I saw the title again... "Will Caldwell return Tennessee women to winning tradition?" The Lady Vols over the last 10 years continued their "winning tradition", albeit, at times, not to the highest levels we were accustomed to. Maybe "... to their lofty tradition" is more accurate?

Was that title poor journalism? Another ESPN shot like the lead photo? Her Gator inner feelings coming out? Or maybe, as an ESPN ACC reporter, she just confused her Lady Vols notes with her FSU football article?

Last 10 years Lady Vols won/lost record for Ms Adelson & Edward R Murrow (ref: her "award"):

20-13, 25-12, 25-9, 17-8, 21-10, 19-13, 25-8, 20-12, 22-14, 30-6... should we go back further? Easy to find on ESPN's Lady Vol team page, if you do your journalist research...
 
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Just why was that pic selected and placed at the top of the article? And people wonder why so many fans question ESPN's favoritism and journalistic integrity!

I thought the article was well written by Andrea Adelson, ESPN Senior Writer & ACC Network Contributor. Uh oh... then I saw the title again... "Will Caldwell return Tennessee women to winning tradition?" The Lady Vols over the last 10 years continued their "winning tradition", albeit, at times, not to the highest levels we were accustomed to. Maybe "... to their lofty tradition" is more accurate?

Was that title poor journalism? Another ESPN shot like the lead photo? Her Gator inner feelings coming out? Or maybe, as an ESPN ACC reporter, she just confused her Lady Vols notes with her FSU football article?

Last 10 years Lady Vols won/lost record for Ms Adelson & Edward R Murrow (ref: her "award"):

20-13, 25-12, 25-9, 17-8, 21-10, 19-13, 25-8, 20-12, 22-14, 30-6... should we go back further? Easy to find on ESPN's Lady Vol team page, if you do your journalist research...
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What’s wrong with the photo? She looks gorgeous as ever.
 
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I'm seeing some stuff in here that has me a touch concerned. Strength & conditioning.

I saw someone commenting somewhere about bringing the puke buckets back out for the first time since Pat... the thing is, puke-bucketing your players is bad for nutrition. Being bad for nutrition is bad for physical strength & conditioning.

[[Back in the day, it didn't matter as much, since everyone else was making the same S&C mistakes. Much of the country has moved on, which has elevated sport performance across all sports. Teams that ignore modern S&C wisdom fall into the middle and bottom of their conferences, and underperform their apparent talent level]]

And sure, what we're reading about here is good for mental strength. But y'know what's better than being mentally strong? Being mentally strong and physically strong. You'd hope that the S&C at a top level school would be prepared to accomplish that (and our top opponents in the conference, and UConn certainly are!!!) and yet it looks like Caldwell is bringing an out-of-date D2 mindset to S&C?

But... perhaps she'll be in touch with her S&C team here and be willing to learn more about what it takes to get an athlete to top level performance, rather than copy-pasting what she played under and then coached with?

"Nolan Harvath, director of women's basketball sports performance, had previously worked with Caldwell at Glenville State"

Oh . . . okay, so the performance director is a dude who has already worked under Kim. Shoot. So even if he was willing to challenge Kim's ideas on conditioning, the fact is that he's going to have many of the same outdated ideas as her, (they've worked together, after all) so it's moot. (plus it shows that she wanted someone to install HER S&C at UT) And just like Kim, he has almost no experience at the D1 level, developing SEC level athletes. 😬

Well, there's reason to not go full-on negative. She HAS won a national championship, 2022 D2 with Glenville [Glenville is a minor conference D2 team, btw, only a couple teams within the D2 top 100]. She did immediately win a conference championship, regular season and conference tournament, at Marshall, first year. (20-1 against conference foes) That's a great resume!

But as someone who is such a strong believer in the Grinnell System that Kim runs, I can't help but look at that and wonder: if she was using modern S&C wisdom, would she have won more than one championship at Glenville? Would she have been able to stick with Virginia Tech in the NCAA tournament instead of getting blown out? Perhaps her 2022 season was in spite of her S&C, not because of it? And instead as a result of running an innovative set which is [in my opinion] the most effective way to play women's basketball. Doing things right in one area can make up for doing things wrong in another way — success blinds you from identifying ways that you could be doing even better.

It's also one of those things that will be hard to identify if it goes wrong. People will simply say that 'the system doesn't work in the SEC' [I'm confident that this is not true; it's succeeded at every level it's been tried at, even NBA G-League], or accusing the players of effort issues, [like we saw some people do with Tamari before it was released that she had blood clots] when the actual heart of the issue is that the player's bodies have not been put in the position to succeed in 2025 basketball — and 'mental toughness and grit' just does not make up for inferior S&C when you play top 10 teams! Just have to hope that the System makes up the difference.

And I do believe [again, as a strong believer in this system] that we can and will win games even with Division 2 S&C. Grinnell System is effective basketball! But are we less likely to make a Final Four? National Championship? I'm worried that the answer is yes, and I hope that Kim will be willing to learn about the best way to mentally AND physically develop the girls. Look to Tennessee S&C in sports where we're succeeding, especially in sports that vaguely match the athletic output her system needs, and put their proven methods into practice. She's not a Grenville or Marshall anymore, the resources are too great here to not take your S&C to the next level, staying tied down to what won you conference championships in the D2 one-bid Mountain East Conference.
 
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RespectAPA said:
I'm seeing some stuff in here that has me a touch concerned. Strength & conditioning.

I saw someone commenting somewhere about bringing the puke buckets back out for the first time since Pat... the thing is, puke-bucketing your players is bad for nutrition. Being bad for nutrition is bad for physical strength & conditioning.

[[Back in the day, it didn't matter as much, since everyone else was making the same S&C mistakes. Much of the country has moved on, which has elevated sport performance across all sports. Teams that ignore modern S&C wisdom fall into the middle and bottom of their conferences, and underperform their apparent talent level]]

And sure, what we're reading about here is good for mental strength. But y'know what's better than being mentally strong? Being mentally strong and physically strong. You'd hope that the S&C at a top level school would be prepared to accomplish that (and our top opponents in the conference, and UConn certainly are!!!) and yet it looks like Caldwell is bringing an out-of-date D2 mindset to S&C?

But... perhaps she'll be in touch with her S&C team here and be willing to learn more about what it takes to get an athlete to top level performance, rather than copy-pasting what she played under and then coached with?

"Nolan Harvath, director of women's basketball sports performance, had previously worked with Caldwell at Glenville State"

Oh . . . okay, so the performance director is a dude who has already worked under Kim. Shoot. So even if he was willing to challenge Kim's ideas on conditioning, the fact is that he's going to have many of the same outdated ideas as her, (they've worked together, after all) so it's moot. (plus it shows that she wanted someone to install HER S&C at UT) And just like Kim, he has almost no experience at the D1 level, developing SEC level athletes. 😬

Well, there's reason to not go full-on negative. She HAS won a national championship, 2022 D2 with Glenville [Glenville is a minor conference D2 team, btw, only a couple teams within the D2 top 100]. She did immediately win a conference championship, regular season and conference tournament, at Marshall, first year. (20-1 against conference foes) That's a great resume!

But as someone who is such a strong believer in the Grinnell System that Kim runs, I can't help but look at that and wonder: if she was using modern S&C wisdom, would she have won more than one championship at Glenville? Would she have been able to stick with Virginia Tech in the NCAA tournament instead of getting blown out? Perhaps her 2022 season was in spite of her S&C, not because of it? And instead as a result of running an innovative set which is [in my opinion] the most effective way to play women's basketball. Doing things right in one area can make up for doing things wrong in another way — success blinds you from identifying ways that you could be doing even better.

It's also one of those things that will be hard to identify if it goes wrong. People will simply say that 'the system doesn't work in the SEC' [I'm confident that this is not true; it's succeeded at every level it's been tried at, even NBA G-League], or accusing the players of effort issues, [like we saw some people do with Tamari before it was released that she had blood clots] when the actual heart of the issue is that the player's bodies have not been put in the position to succeed in 2025 basketball — and 'mental toughness and grit' just does not make up for inferior S&C when you play top 10 teams! Just have to hope that the System makes up the difference.

And I do believe [again, as a strong believer in this system] that we can and will win games even with Division 2 S&C. Grinnell System is effective basketball! But are we less likely to make a Final Four? National Championship? I'm worried that the answer is yes, and I hope that Kim will be willing to learn about the best way to mentally AND physically develop the girls. Look to Tennessee S&C in sports where we're succeeding, especially in sports that vaguely match the athletic output her system needs, and put their proven methods into practice. She's not a Grenville or Marshall anymore, the resources are too great here to not take your S&C to the next level, staying tied down to what won you conference championships in the D2 one-bid Mountain East Conference.
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The puke buckets were just a fan reminiscing. I have seen no reports they are back so you wasted that wall of text. There were other assumptions you made as well about her S&C coach but there is no use arguing over a fantasy situation you created by not reading closely enough.

Heck, even the article mentions her using data she is able to collect here on player performance that she did not have at her other stops so there is literally nothing to back up your worry over not using the latest or most effective methods.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
Much better shots with her smiling…. beaming! are available.
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Depends on licensing rights what is available. Different publications pay to have access to different media services. For instance, there could be 10,000 images of Kim on, say, the New York Times media wire, but if a publication isn't paying NYT for rights to snag an image from there for publication, then they can't use images off that wire. Same with Associated Press images, Tribune News Service images, etc. Some publications are notoriously cheap or have had to cut way back on their own subscriptions to image/copy access, so some of those publications end up using the same ol' tired images they bought rights to in the past and are stingy with paying for more unless it's a huge story and they want "fresh" art.

I have no idea what the case is there, but I do know sometimes that's why pubs end up using inferior/old art with stories.
 
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RespectAPA said:
I'm seeing some stuff in here that has me a touch concerned. Strength & conditioning.

I saw someone commenting somewhere about bringing the puke buckets back out for the first time since Pat... the thing is, puke-bucketing your players is bad for nutrition. Being bad for nutrition is bad for physical strength & conditioning.

[[Back in the day, it didn't matter as much, since everyone else was making the same S&C mistakes. Much of the country has moved on, which has elevated sport performance across all sports. Teams that ignore modern S&C wisdom fall into the middle and bottom of their conferences, and underperform their apparent talent level]]

And sure, what we're reading about here is good for mental strength. But y'know what's better than being mentally strong? Being mentally strong and physically strong. You'd hope that the S&C at a top level school would be prepared to accomplish that (and our top opponents in the conference, and UConn certainly are!!!) and yet it looks like Caldwell is bringing an out-of-date D2 mindset to S&C?

But... perhaps she'll be in touch with her S&C team here and be willing to learn more about what it takes to get an athlete to top level performance, rather than copy-pasting what she played under and then coached with?

"Nolan Harvath, director of women's basketball sports performance, had previously worked with Caldwell at Glenville State"

Oh . . . okay, so the performance director is a dude who has already worked under Kim. Shoot. So even if he was willing to challenge Kim's ideas on conditioning, the fact is that he's going to have many of the same outdated ideas as her, (they've worked together, after all) so it's moot. (plus it shows that she wanted someone to install HER S&C at UT) And just like Kim, he has almost no experience at the D1 level, developing SEC level athletes. 😬

Well, there's reason to not go full-on negative. She HAS won a national championship, 2022 D2 with Glenville [Glenville is a minor conference D2 team, btw, only a couple teams within the D2 top 100]. She did immediately win a conference championship, regular season and conference tournament, at Marshall, first year. (20-1 against conference foes) That's a great resume!

But as someone who is such a strong believer in the Grinnell System that Kim runs, I can't help but look at that and wonder: if she was using modern S&C wisdom, would she have won more than one championship at Glenville? Would she have been able to stick with Virginia Tech in the NCAA tournament instead of getting blown out? Perhaps her 2022 season was in spite of her S&C, not because of it? And instead as a result of running an innovative set which is [in my opinion] the most effective way to play women's basketball. Doing things right in one area can make up for doing things wrong in another way — success blinds you from identifying ways that you could be doing even better.

It's also one of those things that will be hard to identify if it goes wrong. People will simply say that 'the system doesn't work in the SEC' [I'm confident that this is not true; it's succeeded at every level it's been tried at, even NBA G-League], or accusing the players of effort issues, [like we saw some people do with Tamari before it was released that she had blood clots] when the actual heart of the issue is that the player's bodies have not been put in the position to succeed in 2025 basketball — and 'mental toughness and grit' just does not make up for inferior S&C when you play top 10 teams! Just have to hope that the System makes up the difference.

And I do believe [again, as a strong believer in this system] that we can and will win games even with Division 2 S&C. Grinnell System is effective basketball! But are we less likely to make a Final Four? National Championship? I'm worried that the answer is yes, and I hope that Kim will be willing to learn about the best way to mentally AND physically develop the girls. Look to Tennessee S&C in sports where we're succeeding, especially in sports that vaguely match the athletic output her system needs, and put their proven methods into practice. She's not a Grenville or Marshall anymore, the resources are too great here to not take your S&C to the next level, staying tied down to what won you conference championships in the D2 one-bid Mountain East Conference.
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I think we’ll be alright with Nolan. I also think they have a wonderful resource available within Barnes’ staff for any oversight/ojt that may be required. Found a great article:
 
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